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I Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Death is an enemy and was not originally part of the Garden of Eden. English poet Milton said that Lucifer had sex with his daughter Sin who looks just like her father and their incest gave birth to Death who looks just like Lucifer and Sin. Sin and Death now guard the gates of Hell.

 

Genesis 3:22 NLT
[22] Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!"

 

Yet, in the whole context of Scripture, we know that Adam did, in fact, die on that very day. He was now dead in sin.

 

Nice translation there.

"What if they reach out, take fruit..."

"What if?"

Really?

 

American vernacular triggers some people.

 

Not really. From what I can tell, "dead in sin" is a new phrase commonly used by preachers in the 19th - 21st centuries. Paul talks about how Adam's sin condemned everyone to death. Paul doesn't talk about how Adam's sin condemned everyone to sin.

 

It's not that. It's the idea that God is asking the question, "What if?" Most translations have God proclaiming that they will not be allowed to get to the Tree of Life from that point forward. It's not remotely a question, it's a certainty.

 

Genesis 3:22 NASB
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—

(emphasis added.)

same wording as in Exodus.

Exodus 13:17 NKJV
Then it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, “Lest perhaps the people change their minds when they see war, and return to Egypt.”

(Emphasis added.)

The God described in the Bible is not the same god of Classical Theism.

 

Really? Seems to me it has been in use since the first century.

Ephesians 2:1

 

Sin brought death and the curse into the Creation of God, so no sin meant no death and curse, correct?
You appear to reads back into the passage as much or maybe more so than MM and I do here!

 

You also have some peculiar theology though, for since sin brought death and the curse into the Garden, Adam could have died before he sinned is just accepting what scriptures say to us there!

 

But he cannot be dead in sin, which is something straight out of Scripture, if he had not yet sinned.

 

A spiritual death because IT IS IN SCRIPTURE. Adam died in his sin. That is not absent from Scripture. I even gave a reference for it in Ephesians. It's not an assumption, it's not even an opinion. The fact is that we are dead in sin. Adam was not always dead in sin because for a time he had not sinned.

 

Once Adam sinned, he was barred not only from the Garden of Eden but also Heaven because sinners do not go to Heaven so therefore Adam was spiritually dead and had to have some provision made for him until Jesus came to earth and told the descendants of Adam that they had to be born again in order to go to Heaven.

Adam caused all of the universe to be cursed. People still didn't get the message and so there was the Genesis Flood which most Americans say never happened.