1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Controversial Questions

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by ntchristian, Mar 8, 2020.

  1. MartyF

    MartyF Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,381
    Likes Received:
    194
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No, that is a completely incorrect interpretation. That’s “prosperity gospel” like that of Joel Osteen. Job suffers because doggy-doo happens and the Bible never says that he is rewarded for his perseverance. Yes, he gets more than what he had before, but once again, that is because “stuff” happens.

    A primer on Job - The book of Job discusses why God allows pain and suffering. | BibleProject
     
  2. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It all revolves around what God would do for us by giving to us His own Son to be the very Lamb of God!
     
  3. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    God is a God of Love, but perhaps even more, He is HOLY!
     
  4. Walpole

    Walpole Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2019
    Messages:
    1,068
    Likes Received:
    86
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    No, that is not what I am saying. I believe the Scriptures are inspired. It is revelation presented to us through the prism of human history.

    Once again the Scriptures reveal who God is: The Trinity wanting to share His life with man. Put another way, the Bible reveals why God chose to became man.
     
  5. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    1. job learned from his own experiences that God is the real God, worthy to be loved and worshipped, and trustworthy, for we are to walk by faith and not by sight!
     
  6. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    God chose to send His own Son to be the messiah of lost sinners, as He wanted to call a people unto Himself whose only destination apart from His intervening on their behalf would be hell!
     
    #66 Yeshua1, Mar 10, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2020
  7. MartyF

    MartyF Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,381
    Likes Received:
    194
    Faith:
    Baptist
    “God is omnipotent and all-knowing” is a Greek philosophical viewpoint.

    The Old Testament viewpoint is quite different. God is testing Abraham because Abraham has failed many previous tests and God wants to know if Abraham has finally fully put his trust in God. God isn’t sure, so that is why God is doing the test.

    The Greek philosophical viewpoint is that this is just an elaborate form of deceptive play-acting by God.
     
  8. ntchristian

    ntchristian Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2019
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I don't see how you can get that it's prosperity gospel from what I said. I don't hold to that.
     
  9. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Open theism God does not exist, as God fully knew what would happen!
     
  10. MartyF

    MartyF Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,381
    Likes Received:
    194
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Below is pretty close definition of prosperity gospel.

    Christians have been promised to be rewarded in Heaven. But the Bible doesn’t promise us lots of stuff on this Earth.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    peter asked Jesus that very same question! As in how much of a reward would they get for serving Him!
     
  12. MartyF

    MartyF Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,381
    Likes Received:
    194
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Genesis 22:12 NLT
    [12] "Don't lay a hand on the boy!" the angel said. "Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son."

    Bible seems to disagree.
     
  13. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No, as it is addressing God in human terms, as IF God does not know in exhaustive way all things, he could not be God!
     
  14. ntchristian

    ntchristian Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2019
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Yes, but I didn't say that's what I believe. I said that's what others seem to believe who accept what happened to Job and those he lost.
     
  15. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2020
    Messages:
    10,911
    Likes Received:
    1,458
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Interesting as I too have suffered much loss, yet Job gives me great comfort that God ordains even the suffering for a good purpose. What that purpose is, I will never fully understand, but I trust God entirely.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. Steven Yeadon

    Steven Yeadon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2017
    Messages:
    2,391
    Likes Received:
    315
    Faith:
    Baptist

    It seems you are questioning God's goodness. That is a good thing to wrestle with, especially if you or those you love have suffered greatly. Job is a righteous guy in the Book of Job, and he struggled mightily to understand God's goodness. He even shows love and reverence for God amidst the impossible suffering.

    God's response shows something about God's character that needs to be understood. He is the One to trust with everything, even when it does not seem that way. He knows how to run things, even when we cry out His actions are unfair. That takes faith in God's goodness, even when reality around us screams otherwise.
     
  17. MartyF

    MartyF Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,381
    Likes Received:
    194
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That's good. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the interpretation you described.
     
  18. ntchristian

    ntchristian Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2019
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Okay. Understood.
     
  19. ntchristian

    ntchristian Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2019
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I'm not questioning God's goodness. I am questioning this particular interpretation of God's nature.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. Steven Yeadon

    Steven Yeadon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2017
    Messages:
    2,391
    Likes Received:
    315
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Thank you for clarifying. My mistake.
     
Loading...