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I am into claims of being filled with the Holy Spirit as long as they are based on the Bible. According to the Word of God in Acts 4:31, "And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness."

So if one is filled with the Holy Spirit, he or she will witness boldly for Christ, and then of course people will be saved. It should be as obvious as the nose on one's face. They were filled with the Spirit in Acts 2, then spoke in tongues (languages), and 3000 got saved. Glory to God! That's awesome!

Is this directed at me? If so, in what way have I glorified anyone other than God? When people are saved, that glorifies God, according to John 15:8--"Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples." I certainly can't save anyone--salvation is a miracle. So if I ask you who got saved when someone was filled with the Holy Spirit (as I have done on this thread), I am seeking to glorify God.

Again, is this directed at me? Why are you saying this? In what way have I glorified anyone other than Christ? (Again, salvation glorifies Christ.) Have I lifted up myself in any way on this thread? (And I not only don't have a doctorate, I haven't said what diplomas I do have.)

For the record, other than Japanese language training, I did my study at three fundamental schools that glorified Christ, uplifted being filled with the Spirit, sought to win souls to Jesus Christ, and have sent out 100's of missionaries around the world.

For my part, I think anyone who brags about tongues as the sign of the fullness of the Spirit is not only Biblically wrong, they are glorifying themselves. Tongues speakers generally look down on those who have not spoken in tongues. "Worn as a badge of identification, tongues results in walls of division, mistrust, and resentment. Much of the strong negative feeling that many church people hold against tongues speaking can be traced to this misuse" (Wayne A. Robinson, I Once Spoke in Tongues, p. 123).

 

Not exactly. It's more complicated than that.

 

Think thaJ they held to an exchanged life, as I give up my life to jesus in order to have Him live his own life and me...

 

Not far off. To put it theologically, positional sanctification is claimed by faith through the finished work of Christ, just as salvation is.

 

Would the entire sanctification of John Wesley be the next stage beyond what was held by them?

 

I am against theology though that states one must speak in other tongues to evidence now being infilled by the Spirit. or that he has to do a so called second act of grace after saved!

 

You have not been clear. I asked you some clear questions and made some clear statements, and you are still vague.

 

I have tried to press him a bit on his theology, to see if he holds to necessity of tongues and second act of grace, but giving bland replies back!

 

We finally agree. But you never have commented on my Biblical assertion that souls being saved will follow the fullness of the Spirit.

 

Totally unconnected with the conversation. Don't know why you say this. Their works have not helped me at all spiritually (and I too have read them).

Japan's society is based on Confucianism, so I have much personal experience with that philosophy. I have also been to China and know about Lao Tzu. (His thinking is depressing.) Now Confucius did believe in the monotheistic God Shang Ti, referring to God with the word Tian, meaning "Heaven." However, Japanese and Chinese people cannot get to Heaven through either philosopher. Salvation demands soul winning Christians.

 

The Catholics have the fundamental doctrines correct, except for salvation, and that is a huge error. Then they add idolatry.

 

They went Officially Apostate at Council of Trent, when they repudiated Pauline Justification...

 

Church of Rome went official Apostate at Council of Trent