1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured How to Know You are in a Heterodox Cult

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Protestant, Mar 15, 2020.

  1. Protestant

    Protestant Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    159
    Catholic Church Promulgates Breaking the Divinely Instituted Chain of Command

    “The holy Synod enjoins on all bishops, and others who sustain the office and charge of teaching, that, agreeably to the usage of the Catholic and Apostolic Church, received from the primitive times of the Christian religion, and agreeably to the consent of the holy Fathers, and to the decrees of sacred Councils, they especially instruct the faithful diligently concerning the intercession and invocation of saints….” (Council of Trent, Session 25, 2nd Decree).

    “Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.”

    It was recently brought to the public’s attention, through the case of Navy Capt. Brett Crozier, that our Armed Forces implements a chain of command which is to be taken quite seriously. To go outside this acknowledged command chain shows several negative characteristics of the perpetrator:

    (1) The perp ‘knows better’ than his superiors as to the course of action to be taken in addressing concerns/requests, thereby making his judgment superior to that of his superiors.

    (2) The perp has little regard or respect for the rule of military administration, including the channels through which requests/concerns must first pass.

    (3) The perp is fearful the concern/request will not receive the attention necessary to achieve a satisfactory outcome, thereby casting doubt as to the effectiveness of the command chain.

    (4) The perp shows lack of faith in the wisdom of his superiors who implement and administer the chain of command.

    (5) The perp shows lack of faith in the ability of his superiors to execute a satisfactory outcome should he adhere to the established chain of command.

    These same negative characteristics may be applied to the Catholic Church which encourages, promotes and endorses prayers to the saints – the cult of Mary being the most grievous - in direct violation of the divinely instituted chain of command. Such overt opposition and hubris must be considered anti-Christ, for it is Jesus Christ who declared to whom our prayers are to be directed.

    Divine Chain of Command Clearly and Simply Stated by Jesus

    (1) We are to pray to the Father:

    But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee…….Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. (Matthew 6:6-9; Douay-Rheims).

    (2) We are to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus:

    Because I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do: that the Father may be glorified in the Son (John 14:13; Douay-Rheims).

    (3) Jesus is our alone Mediator. Therefore, Jesus is the One who conveys our prayers to the Father:

    If you shall ask me anything in my name, that I will do (John 14:14; Douay-Rheims).

    For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5; Douay-Rheims).

    (4) We are to pray to God only:

    Be nothing solicitous; but in everything, by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God (Philippians 4:6; Douay-Rheims).

    (5) The Apostle John declares our prayers are to be directed to God, who is masculine. They are not to be directed to Mary, who is feminine:

    And this is the confidence which we have towards him: That, whatsoever we shall ask according to his will, he heareth us. And we know that he heareth us whatsoever we ask: we know that we have the petitions which we request of him (1 John 5:14-15; Douay-Rheims).

    (6) We prove our love for the Lord by obeying His commandments. To do otherwise is to display contempt and impiety for the divine rule of law, as well as the Law giver:

    If you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15; Douay-Rheims).

    Prayer is a form of worship. Prayers to Mary, who is dead, as well as prayers to innumerable other dead ‘saints’ is antithetical to the command of Christ and His Apostles. Prayers directed to such persons exposes the heart of the petitioner, who trusts more in the word of man than the Word of God.

    Thus saith the Lord: Cursed be the man that trusteth in man…. (Jeremiah 17:5; Douay-Rheims).
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I know, the Last Supper of Christ is something you just cannot wrap your head around. He gave us the command to re-enact the Last Supper as our primary form and focus of worship. You do not do it, you do not have it, so you do not understand it. Sad for you, a total joy to us.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Again, to which sect do you belong? Are you ashamed to answer the question perhaps?
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  4. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I take it as a memorial to Him, not as having Him recrucified all over again!
     
  5. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    We do not believe he is re-crucified either. - that happened but once. So now go ahead, I suppose you are now going to tell us what Catholics really believe about this, right?
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No, rather would say focus on Him, as we have all spiritual blessings in Christ, not in 7 Sacraments!
     
  7. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    There is no difference in those spiritual blessings or any other spiritual blessings, they all come from God.
     
  8. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Except when it comes to your worship service, then its short shrift for Jesus and his great sacrifice.
     
  9. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    There are but 2 Ordinances, and neither has any saving grace in them!
     
  10. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    WE proclaim the risen Lord, not have Him in wafers and wine passed around!
     
  11. Protestant

    Protestant Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    159
    Miraculous Lying Wonders a Sign of Antichrist – Part 2

    ………. Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders (2 Thess. 2:9; Douay-Rheims).

    The Man of Sin, aka the Antichrist, is called the Son of Perdition (verse 3), equating him with the disciple who betrayed the Lord Jesus, Judas Iscariot (John 17:12).

    Moreover, like the religious Jews who claimed rightful succession from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, yet were guilty of Christ’s blood, the Man of Sin, aka the Antichrist, claims apostolic succession from Peter, yet this dynasty of papal officeholders, along with its members, are guilty of the blood of Christ’s members (Rev. 17:6). To be guilty of their blood is to be guilty of Christ’s blood (Matthew 25:40; Acts 9:4).

    Conclusion: The Man of Sin, aka the Antichrist, is prophesied to be a professing Christian religious leader who will betray Christ and kill His disciples.

    Christ prophesied as much (John 16:2).

    Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God (2 Thess.2:4; Douay-Rheims).

    Paul speaks of the New Testament temple of God, comprised of believers born of the Spirit, in whom the Father, Son and Holy Spirit dwell (1 Cor. 3:16; John 14:23).

    Thus, the Man of Sin, aka the Antichrist, will claim jurisdiction over all Christianity. To ‘sit’ is to ‘reign and judge’ (Daniel 7:26). The Bishop of Rome claims the prerogative of holding this ‘Primacy’ over all Christendom.

    By so doing Scripture tells us he opposes God, for Jesus Christ holds the primacy in His Church (Ephesians 5:23).

    Furthermore, the Man of Sin, aka the Antichrist, shows himself as if he were God. He does not outright publicly declare himself God. However, he shows himself – through words and deeds - to have God-like qualities.

    The Pope of Rome fulfills this prophecy in several ways.

    (1) He declares doctrinal infallibility in matters of faith and morals ‘ex cathedra’: i.e. ‘from the chair’ [of Peter]. This reference to ‘chair’ necessarily infers a ‘seated’ position as judge and ruler. This, in turn, is a direct fulfillment of 2 Thess. 2:4, ‘he sitteth in the temple of God.’

    (2) He contradicts and overturns divine eternal commandments. For example, constructing and venerating graven images is clearly forbidden (Exodus 20). Yet the 2nd Council of Nicaea, confirmed by the Council of Trent, decreed that the images of Christ, of the Virgin Mother of God, and of the other saints, are to be had and retained particularly in temples, and that due honour and veneration are to be given them….[Is it not curious Trent uses the term ‘temples’ rather than ‘churches’, thereby further aligning the Papacy and Roman Church with this prophecy?]

    (3) Although only God has the right and authority to forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:5-7), the Pope and his members have taken that right to themselves by the invention of the confessional and through the practice of offering indulgences, whereby sins of all kinds are forgiven when the proper monetary payment is made. Pope Urban II promised remission of sins to crusaders. Never mind their stealing, killing and destroying. It’s all done in the name of Christ for a holy purpose.


    (4) The Pope has the power to grant less time in Purgatory by performing certain tasks. Although Purgatory is a wicked invention of man which dishonors and slanders the infinitely perfect propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, Roman Catholics believe this fraudulent fiction as if it actually were taught by Christ and His Apostles…. which it is not. Followers of Pope Francis’ tweets are rewarded with various indulgences. For example, climbing the Sacred Steps on your knees will knock 7 years off time spent in Purgatory.
    [​IMG]

    (5) The Man of Sin, aka the Antichrist, is lifted up above all that is called God. The Pope fulfills this unlikely prophecy by the act of consecrating the Host, which is then ‘miraculously’ Transubstantiated into the God-man Jesus Christ. The consecrated Host is called God and worshipped as such. The prophecy indicates the Man of Sin’s exalted position, ‘lifted up above,’ that which is called God. Certainly, he who creates is greater, higher and above that which he creates. Thus, the Pope, the creator, is greater than his creation, the transubstantiated Christ.

    Conclusion: The Roman Pontiff, the Pope and Bishop of Rome, the papal officeholder, whoever he may be, is that Man of Sin, the Antichrist, the Son of Perdition whose destiny is the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20).
     
  12. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Conclusion of this post - more nonsense. Come on friend, tell us all, to which sect do you belong to?
     
  13. Protestant

    Protestant Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    159
    I do not belong to the cult of kneeling stair climbers as depicted in the above photo. Though elderly and in great pain, their last wish is to climb this marble stairway to Heaven. Sadly, they are on a downward trajectory and do not know it.

    Why is it you remain mute and silent when your beloved infallible Pope -- the Antichrist -- guarantees them indulgences as rewards for following this folly? Why are you not protesting this wicked practice, warning these sad souls of the eternal jeopardy which awaits those who participate in such heathen rituals?

    I await your response, assuming you are capable.
     
  14. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I await YOUR response to a question I have asked you several times now. To which Christian sect do you belong? Why are you afraid to reveal where you worship and get religious instruction? Tell us, we await your answer.
     
  15. Protestant

    Protestant Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    159
    Color-Coded Prophecy for the Spiritually Challenged and Blind

    And Jesus said: For judgment I am come into this world; that they who see not, may see; and they who see, may become blind (John 9:39; Douay-Rheims).

    Because our Lord is omniscient, He foreknew that many of His people would be perplexed over the correct identity of the false Church, Mystery Babylon, and its Head, the Antichrist Beast.

    And because our Lord is compassionate, having mercy upon whom He will have mercy, He wisely made that, which to many is confusing, really quite simple for His Elect to grasp, no matter who or where they are.

    He color-coded the prophecies as a learning aid for the spiritually challenged and blind.

    Lesson # 1: And I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns (Revelation 17:3; Douay-Rheims).

    [N.B. The following information is from the Roman Catholic website Aleteia.]

    Cardinal

    “The technical name for the color that cardinals wear is ‘scarlet.’ This color distinguishes them as members of the College of Cardinals and a “Prince” of the Church…… Interestingly, the bird known in North America as the ‘cardinal’ was named after this class of Roman Catholic clergy.”
    [​IMG]
    Cardinal O’Malley

    Lesson # 2: And the woman was clothed round about with purple and scarlet (Revelation 17:4; Douay-Rheims).

    Bishop

    “For most of Church history green was the color for bishops. This color is still seen on the traditional coat of arms that each bishop chooses when elected. However, in the 16th century the color was switched to ‘amaranth red,’ which is named so in reference to the color of the amaranth flower. In practicality it more resembles the color fuschia.

    Since it is a color similar to purple, it holds a symbolic value that points to the task of the bishop to govern his local diocese.”
    [​IMG]
    Bishop Robert Barron

    Lesson # 3: Cardinals are princes of the Church appointed by the Pope. He generally chooses bishops who head departments of the Roman Curia or important episcopal sees throughout the world. As a whole, the cardinals compose a College of Cardinals which advises the Pope, and those cardinals under the age of 80 at the death or resignation of a Pope elect his successor”(Source).

    Lesson # 4: “The bishops, who possess the fullness of orders, and therefore the fullness of both priesthood and diaconate, are as a body (the College of Bishops) considered the successors of the Apostles and are ‘constituted Pastors in the Church, to be the teachers of doctrine, the priests of sacred worship and the ministers of governance’ and ‘represent the Church’” (Source).

    Lesson # 5: The Cardinals and Bishops are the elite hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church. They rule the lesser clergy and all Roman Catholic parishioners worldwide under their head, the Pope of Rome.
    [​IMG]
    A Cardinal flanked by Bishops.

    Lesson # 6: The Pope of Rome is the highest Bishop, the Bishop of Rome, whose color is scarlet.
    [​IMG]

    Lesson # 7: Just as Satan masquerades as an angel of light, so too, does the Pope, who often wears white to appear holy, righteous and innocent as a lamb, though Scripture calls him a beastly blasphemer, the Man of Sin, the Antichrist.
    [​IMG]


    Conclusion: The Roman Catholic Cardinals and Bishops are symbolic of the entire body of the Roman Catholic Church, claiming to be the Spouse of Christ. Their colors are purple and scarlet betraying their true despicable character and immoral nature.

    The Pope is the scarlet-colored Beast who is opposed to the Lamb of God, though he pretends to be his Vicar.
     
  16. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    35,198
    Likes Received:
    3,791
    Faith:
    Baptist
    How to Know You are in a Heterodox Cult?

    When they break out the Mad Dog 20/20 for communion is a good sign not to drink the kool-aid.
     
  17. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian

    Conclusion: You are a wacko conspiritoralist. Again, please tell us, to which sect do you belong. What's the matter, cat got your tongue?
     
  18. Protestant

    Protestant Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    159
    Dialogue with Adonia

    Protestant: The Lord has warned us the greatest enemy of the Christian Church will come after the demise of the ancient Roman Empire. Are you not concerned your Pope and Roman Church fit the unlikely prophecies, such as claiming Christ as Lord and Savior, yet at the same time enacting laws and religious practices which overturn the Word of God, leading all their followers into idolatry and worship of false gods?

    Adonia: More importantly, what is your religious affiliation?

    Protestant: Are you not concerned by the fact that your Pope and Church have been responsible for the murder, as well as cruel and inhumane treatment of untold numbers of professing Christians through the centuries?

    Adonia: More importantly, what is your religious affiliation?

    Protestant: Are you not concerned of the countless lives of the innocent who have been abused and ravished by rapacious priests through the centuries?

    Adonia: More importantly, what is your religious affiliation?

    Protestant: I realize no church is prefect, but does it not concern you that included on the membership roles of your Church are such infamous, despicable scum as Adolph Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Heinrich Himmler?

    Adonia: More importantly, what is your religious affiliation?
     
  19. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    You can't even get our conversation right, you just continue on with falsehoods. I am concerned mainly about which sect you belong to. Care to answer or are you still ashamed?
     
  20. Protestant

    Protestant Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    159
    Dialogue with Adonia Part 2

    Protestant: You are obviously a student of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. Does it not concern you that Cain’s bloodless offering was rejected, resulting in his anger and jealousy which contributed to killing his brother?

    Adonia: Why should what allegedly happened several eons ago concern me?

    Protestant: For the simple fact that you, too, offer the Lord a bloodless sacrifice called the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass which the Lord also rejects as blasphemous. The results of such overt hubris has eternal deleterious consequences to one’s soul. Moreover, by no small coincidence your Catholic Church gives its adherents an indelible mark on their foreheads, as did the Lord give banished Cain.

    Adonia: You are obviously a wacko conspiratorialist.

    Protestant: And do you not see the parallel in history between Cain who murdered his brother and your Church who, for centuries, murdered their Christian brothers?

    Adonia: You are obviously a wacko conspiratorialist.

    Protestant: If I were only one among few persons to have considered your Church the Church of Cain, Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of all Harlots, I might agree with you. However, in accessing the historical documents of the Roman Catholic Church, it is the unbiased testimony of secular scholars that not only did those you considered Christian ‘heretics’ through the ages agree with my assessment, but also in agreement were those within the highest clerical and religious ranks of your Church. In fact, even today there are numerous practicing Catholics who believe your Pope is a heretic.

    Adonia: They are obviously all wacko conspiratorialists.
     
Loading...