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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Apr 11, 2020.

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    It's also my opinion (developed through a diligent study of the Scriptures) that God never took His eyes off of His Son on the cross and delighted in His obedience the entire time.

    Job 36:7
    He does not take his eyes off the righteous
     
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    Second Death, lake of Fire, will be eternal separation from God, and yes, Jesus experienced that on the Cross!
     
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    Hoooo, Trooper! Hi Salty, my favorite answer to this question lies in the ancient customs of the Paleo Hebrew through, at least, the First Century Believing Jew. I learned in the process of coming to know YHWH through His Holy Scriptures and my, admittedly weak study of their customs from that period. And I came to understand that it was not uncommon for the Jewish Believer to invoke this or that Psalm with the reciting of the opening verse, as we call it today. Looking back to Yashuah ha'Mashiah hung upon that vile cross that means so much to men and women, like ourselves, and with very little effort we discover Yashuah invoking Psalm 22. There lies the answer. YHWH despises every individual sin that He heaped upon His son for the Perfect Redemption of Mankind. The Father cannot stand sin but He always loves His Son.
     
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    This is what i would call heresy.

    not only is what you stated unbiblical, it is anti-scriptural.
     
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    That would be God the Father up in the third heaven, even before incarnation, as well.
    At least if you go by what the word of God says.
     
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    I still don't believe this is a sentiment of Scripture--"Christ was forsaken so i won't be." The Biblical Truth is, "Because even when Christ was on the cross receiving the penalty for sin for us, not being forsaken by the Father (even though He may have "felt" forsaken), i know i will never be forsaken." Christ is the righteous Son in whom the Father delights--and He treats us IDENTICALLY because we've been made sons and daughters. Even in the darkest hours of our life, God will never forsake us, because He did not forsake His Son.
     
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    Paradise was the upper compartment of Hades until after Jesus resurrection and 40 days latter ascension to Heaven when He moved Paradise there.
     
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    True.
    Christ was forsaken for sins for whom He died. That does not mean the Father took His eyes off His Son. God is omnipresent. And His Son never ceased being the Creator, Hebrews 1:3.
     
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    Psalm 37:25
    I have been young, and now am old; Yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, Nor his seed begging bread.

    Especially true of Christ!

    Psalms 37:28
    For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

    Psalms 94:14
    For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
     
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    I have ?'s concerning the above.

    What is the righteousness of God?

    The soul that sins, it shall die.

    God the Father took the Holy One, conceived of a virgin, out of Spirit and brought forth Holy, who learned, the obedience, that is being obedient unto death even the death of the cross and laid on him the iniquity of us all, actually as 2 Cor 5:29 says, for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin.

    Why? Is it so the soul who did no sin could actually die for our sins?

    Would it be the righteousness of God, that after three days and three nights he would to give life again to the Holy One who had given his life for us? For he the Holy One to inherit the promise of God?

    Now consider the Word of God.

    and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ; and this I say, A covenant confirmed before by God to Christ, the law, that came four hundred and thirty years after, doth not set aside, to make void the promise, for if by law be the inheritance, it is no more by promise, but to Abraham through promise did God grant it. Why, then, the law? on account of the transgressions it was added, till the seed might come to which the promise hath been made, having been set in order through messengers in the hand of a mediator -- and the mediator is not of one, and God is one -- he law, then, is against the promises of God? -- let it not be! for if a law was given that was able to, make alive, truly by law there would have been the righteousness, Gal 3:16-21

    Jesus was made alive out of the dead by Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead --
    Jesus inherited the promise of God made before the world began. Jesus inherited Romans 6:9 knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship;

    The righteousness of God came through the resurrection of the Son of God therefore, we may become the righteousness of God in him.
     
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    So are you denying Christ bearing our sins for a time, per Psalms 22:1, Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34, Isaiah 53?
     
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    For me to buy the above you are going to have to show me, from scripture, where Paradise and or the garden of God is in captivity.

    wherefore, he saith, 'Having gone up on high he led captive captivity, and gave gifts to men,' --

    What singular thing that had held under captivity did Jesus capture. Was it not death. Rom 6:9 and Heb 2:15

    BTW while researching for my answer I found a song I have not heard and critique of the song you might find interesting.

    Death Was Arrested Lyrics
    North Point InsideOut – Death Was Arrested
     
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    Are you insinuating He became unrighteous at any time?

    1 Peter 3:18
    For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
     
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    Few facts. Jesus went to Paradise, Luke 23:43. Jesus' soul was not left in Hades, Acts of the Apostles 2:27-31.
    And death is not done away with until the Judgment, Revelation 20:14.
     
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    Not at all. He was forsaken because He actually had placed on Himself our sins, Isaiah 53:6, 2 Corinthians 5:21, ". . . For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; . . "
     
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    haven't read every post but if you saw Franklin Graham on TV Easter morning and heard his message he affirmed that the Father turned away from His Son momentarily as He could/would not look.
     
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    He became a sin "Offering" for us. He didn't become sin, that does not make any sense.

    Isaiah 53:10
    10 But it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him
    and cause him grief.
    Yet when his life is made an offering for sin,
    he will have many descendants.
    He will enjoy a long life,
    and the Lord’s good plan will prosper in his hands.
     
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    and i believe that is a false narrative that we have created. It is not found in Scripture.
     
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    Did Christ take our sin on Him Self? Did Christ Pay for our sins . Did Christ take our place and punishment for our sins?
    MB
     
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    What scripture did he use to support that the Father turned and could not look?
    MB
     
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