Turning His back on Jesus

[Yeshua1]

This is what i would call heresy.

not only is what you stated unbiblical, it is anti-scriptural.

which view, that Second Death is eternal state, or that Jesus suffered in our stead the due penalty for our sins, taking the wrath of God due to us?

 

[Yeshua1]

Of course not (John 16:32).

God turns His back so to speak upon those in lake of Fire forever, and Jesus experienced that as our sin bearer!

 

[Yeshua1]

No. In fact, it teaches the opposite (that God will never turn his back on His Righteous One...hence we know God will not turn His back on us).

Jesus the righteousness One became sin bearer for us, and as such, he who knew no sin of his own became the sin offering to God, to propitiate and appease His wrath towards sinners, and he had to taste physical death and experience that judgement an separation all of us should have!

 

[Yeshua1]

Amen! Follow Psalms 22 through to verse 21: "You have answered Me." It was the ninth hour (3 pm) when Jesus gave His cry, and at that very moment, the sun reappeared, and our Lord could give a second cry "It is finished!" It was accomplished; it was completed; it was paid. Divine justice was satisfied, and God is seen to be just and the justifier of the one who trusts in Jesus

Some just cannot seem to get that on that Cross, there was something that happened that made God take on all our sins and that due to that, God the Father to be Holy had to treat Him as sin personified!

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you. I should have added that the word can also mean to 'fulfill' and to ''perform.' All these meanings help us to understand what happened on the cross.

Tis finished! The Messiah dies,
Cut off for sins, but not His own.
Accomplished is the sacrifice,
The great redeeming work is done.
'Tis finished! All the debt is paid;
Justice divine is satisfied;
The grand and full atonement made;
Christ for a guilty world has died.
.
The veil is rent in Christ alone;
the living way to heaven is seen;
The middle wall is broken down
And all mankind may enter in.
The types and figures are fulfilled;
Exacted is the legal pain;
The precious promises are sealed;
The spotless Lamb of God is slain.
.
The reign of sin and death is o'er,
And all may live from sin set free.
Satan has lost His mortal power;
'Tis swallowed up in victory.
saved from the legal curse I am,
My Saviour hangs upon the tree;
Se there the meek, expiring Lamb!
'Tis finished! He expires for me.

Accepted in the Well-beloved,
And clothed in righteousness divine,
I see the bar to heaven removed
And all Thy merits, Lord are mine.
Death, hell and sin are now subdued;
All grace is now to sinners given;
And lo! I plead the atoning blood,
And in Your right I claim my heaven.

Charles Wesley

Did not John Calvin hold that the part of "Jesus ascending into Hell"of the Creed really meant that he experience what lost sinners will in hell as being sin bearer and under wrath/judgement of God?

 

[Yeshua1]

In so much that Jesus cries out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?"

A point my pastor pointed out on Good Friday:
Jesus suffered in a way I cannot imagine and which I never have to go through. He cries out to God about being forsaken, but that very Cross means I was never forsaken, even as an unbeliever.

He tasted separation so that we never had too do that!

 

[Yeshua1]

It's also my opinion (developed through a diligent study of the Scriptures) that God never took His eyes off of His Son on the cross and delighted in His obedience the entire time.

Job 36:7
He does not take his eyes off the righteous

His Son assumed on the iniquity of us all at that time, so as sin bearer, was seen as sin personified!

 

[Yeshua1]

True.
Christ was forsaken for sins for whom He died. That does not mean the Father took His eyes off His Son. God is omnipresent. And His Son never ceased being the Creator, Hebrews 1:3.

Jesus was "judged" for those sins, and took the very wrath of God due to us!

 

[Yeshua1]

What scripture did he use to support that the Father turned and could not look?
MB

s. Habakkuk 1:13

 

[JonShaff]

Did Christ take our sin on Him Self? Did Christ Pay for our sins . Did Christ take our place and punishment for our sins?
MB

Absolutely, That's what Scripture says.We can pinpoint the Scriptures that explicitly say that. 1 Peter 3:18. He in no way became "unrighteous"--He did not become sinful man at any time.

 

[JonShaff]

s. Habakkuk 1:13

Context is important.

Habakkuk is saying God cannot look on sin and not do anything about it. He's not saying He cannot look on people who are sinning--He does that all the time. Really, quoting Habakkuk to say God the Father turned away from Jesus is ridiculous.

 

[JonShaff]

which view, that Second Death is eternal state, or that Jesus suffered in our stead the due penalty for our sins, taking the wrath of God due to us?

It's heresy to say Christ took on second death.

 

[37818]

God turns His back so to speak upon those in lake of Fire forever, and Jesus experienced that as our sin bearer!

Revelation 14:10, ". . . shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: . . ."

 

[Yeshua1]

It's heresy to say Christ took on second death.

Jesus did not spiritual die, not into wof heresy as you rightly pointed out is heresy, but He did feel and experience what they are going to go thru under judgement of God!

 

[MB]

s. Habakkuk 1:13

Hab 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

This verse does not support that Christ was sin. Christ was never sin but He took sin and hung it on the cross with him to pay for the sins of the world.. The Bible never says Christ was made sin.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Revelation 14:10, ". . . shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: . . ."

Eternal state, even though JW and Sda want it otherwise!

 

[Yeshua1]

Hab 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

This verse does not support that Christ was sin. Christ was never sin but He took sin and hung it on the cross with him to pay for the sins of the world.. The Bible never says Christ was made sin.
MB

2 Corinthians 5:21 Jesus never ceased being pure and sinless, and yet something happened here!

 

[MB]

Jesus did not spiritual die, not into wof heresy as you rightly pointed out is heresy, but He did feel and experience what they are going to go thru under judgement of God!

There is no torment in paradise.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

There is no torment in paradise.
MB

I was referring to while upon that Cross!

 

[JonShaff]

2 Corinthians 5:21 Jesus never ceased being pure and sinless, and yet something happened here!

He became a sin *Offering*--That's what Paul is saying here and that is how his readers would have understood it in light of the previous chapters and verses.