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Reynolds read all of John 3 instead of isolating a sentence and declaring a doctrine from it.

 

Would you/Could you share the scripture and explain how the scriptures inform your faith?
I couldn't care less about old council's of Calvinists or Arminians, synergists or monergists if scripture is not at the heart of why we believe what we believe.
I derived my doctrine from years of reading and study of God's word. If I checked on council's and systems of theology I know I have run the spectrum of all the groups I listed above. But, it is God's word that keeps refining me and pointing me toward the attributes of God and His interaction with men.
I understand that every individual believer is located somewhere on that spectrum. Where I am is not where others may be. My only concern is that we not stay comfortable in our area, but we sharpen each other. That sharpening happens when we agree to drop our pretenses and deeply study God's word at both a macro and micro level. Observe, question, interpret, evaluate, question, interpret, evaluate, apply.

 

The verse says unto the day. It does not say after the day and forward.


If all humans are sealed from conception to death, how can it be a believers responsibility to keep any out of hell?

If we warn or refuse when the Holy Spirit prompts us, that is the only disobedience we are charged with.

Salvation is still the choice of the individual.

 

@timtofly, you state "the Holy Spirit seals every human," but does the scripture you shared say that?

Who, in the passage, is "ye?"

Paul is writing to those who are Christians in Ephesus. He is not writing to the pagans who are still "dead in their trespasses and sins."
Therefore, your universal claim, of "every human" being sealed by the Holy Spirit, is not correct. Instead, I argue that every person whom God has chosen to adopt is sealed by the Holy Spirit and is redeemed.

What you have stated, perhaps inadvertently, is a universalist claim that the entire human race is and or will be saved and redeemed at some time. That claim is not taught by the verse you selected.

 

Not exactly, any who die in their sins, are no longer sealed, unless God says otherwise. The seal is broken by death, because one never acknowledged the day of Redemption.

There was only one day of Redemption. It was on the Cross when Jesus said it was finished and the Atonement was complete.

The Lamb then entered into the alter, from the foundation of the world, the Lamb's book of life. Then the Post incarnate Christ spoke the world into existence. All humanity to ever be was named before the beginning. The Lamb's book of life has been sealed, no additions no subtractions until now. The 7 seals in Revelation 6 are unsealing the Lamb's book of life. Only after the 7th Seal can the names be removed. Covid19 was the first seal. The second seal has been opened and the earth is still at peace. Read chapter 6 for what is going to happen next.

 

I agree. I am also not very hopeful that we will solve a centuries old debate.

 

I think I have read it a time or three.

 

Scripture is cited.
I have an old 600 page theology book that discusses it and in the end, no more is said than what is said in what I posted.

I know the points you will disagree with. I know what the scriptures you use will be. We will still disagree. I concede Arminianism is imperfect. I see Calvinism as equally imperfect. I choose Arminianism.

 

All men do not have the Spirit,Roman's 8:9

 

Okay...a few more hours to go. I think it can be profitable for both of us and sincere persons looking on.

 

karl Barth has returned!

 

The atonement work of Christ only applies towards those who have received Him as their Lord thru faith!

 

This is being sealed by the Spirit. Letting the Holy Spirit work in you, is another attribute.

 

I am not a theologian.

 

Yes, I agree. The Holy Spirit still seals them from conception to death. Receiving the Atonement changes one headed for death, to head in the opposite direction, unto eternal life.

 

Or rather better yet, learn from the Holy Spirit. No one is as competent to teach as the Holy Spirit. Him I trust.

 

True, however, if I were with you in church, I believe we could sit down together and exegete scripture together, examine our assumptions and encourage one another. Here in this format such dedication to studying God's word does not happen.

 

This is a nice platitude, but it is extremely vague. No doubt every person here believes they are being taught by the Holy Spirit, yet they/we have different beliefs. Obviously some are wrong. How do you propose one discerns who is taught by the Holy Spirit and who is not?

 

Same as any relationship, the closer to get to Agreement with God, what is false falls away and only truth will remain.

 

It can happen. It has to happen with an understanding. That understanding is that I know Calvinistic doctrine, I am not saying I know everything, but I know Calvinism in MOST its forms. When we disagree, we disagree over interpretation. We dont disagree because you or I am ignorant. The ignorant accusation is a discussion ender for me. I have quoted, in modern English, Calvinistic fathers and for their words been told I was Ignorant and didnt understand Calvinism.
As I have said many times, true High Calvinism is a very logical and very defendable doctrine. It also is a doctrine most Calvinists on here are not willing to embrace. Usually, their departures from the original doctrine is where I find issues that can not logically be reconciled. Fully embrace double predestination (as its now called) and we can begin having a logical dialogue.