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Begotten of the Father before all ages.

timtofly

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Again, if you were to explain to someone who is not yet a Christian how to know for sure about having salvation that cannot be lost, what would you explain?
I do not have to explain anything. Most people I have met normally know already that life is temporary, and only God offers a life that cannot be lost. If you think you can convince someone to unknow what they know, your question may make sense to you. I could ask you how do you know if someone is not yet a Christian, because only God knows that.

If you do not accept my first answer, there will never be an answer you will accept. Nor will I probably accept the answer you think I should give you. If the answer you think I should give is in the Bible, I have already been judged by you for not giving the "right" answer. If you are just beating around the bush, I can keep up this back and forth as long as you like. I am in no hurry to do anything else.
 

Van

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A study of "Genos" (G1085) revealed the word refers to a commonality, i.e. the same kind as in offspring, relative, or linage. Now if we look at Gennao (G1080) the word means to "father" or "birth", or "engender."

Thus Acts of the Apostles 13:33, Philemon 1:10, Hebrews 1:5, and Hebrews 5:5 could all be translated "engendered" which would then eliminate the bogus support for the "eternally begotten" heresy.
 

Yeshua1

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Where any statement of faith is CONTRARY to the written word of God. In this case the false notion the Son who is YHWH is eternally "begotten" from the Father who is YHWH. This is nonsense if you really believe the Persons of the Trinity are the one and the same YHWH.
They are all Yahweh, but are all distinct persons!
 

percho

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Where any statement of faith is CONTRARY to the written word of God. In this case the false notion the Son who is YHWH is eternally "begotten" from the Father who is YHWH. This is nonsense if you really believe the Persons of the Trinity are the one and the same YHWH.

My thought. The LORD (the Father) said unto my (David's) Lord (the Son) sit thou (the Son) at my (the Father's) right hand, until I (the Father) make thine (the Son's) enemies thy (the Son's) footstool.
 

37818

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My thought. The LORD (the Father) said unto my (David's) Lord (the Son) sit thou (the Son) at my (the Father's) right hand, until I (the Father) make thine (the Son's) enemies thy (the Son's) footstool.
Yes, to His Son incarnate to be a man the descendant of David, Luke 3:31. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
 

Van

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In the context of their time they wrote the Creed begotten meant eternally God!
Y1 just makes this blarney up. If something is begotten by a male entity, the something is "fathered." If by a female, the something is born. The heresy of "eternally begotten" means (falsely) the Second Person of the Trinity became the Son in eternity past. Only Y1 would push such hogwash.

Lets actually look at one claim of support: John 5:26, which reads (NASB) “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself." Now for the bogus switcheroo, gave to the Son is "interpreted" to mean "begat the Son." I kid you not. In context of course idea is because the Father accepted the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ, the Father commissioned the Son to provide salvation (life from death for those in Christ) and to judge everyone else, verse 27.
 
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Yeshua1

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Y1 just makes this blarney up. If something is begotten by a male entity, the something is "fathered." If by a female, the something is born. The heresy of "eternally begotten" means (falsely) the Second Person of the Trinity became the Son in eternity past. Only Y1 would push such hogwash.

Lets actually look at one claim of support: John 5:26, which reads (NASB) “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself." Now for the bogus switcheroo, gave to the Son is "interpreted" to mean "begat the Son." I kid you not. In context of course idea is because the Father accepted the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ, the Father commissioned the Son to provide salvation (life from death for those in Christ) and to judge everyone else, verse 27.
The Word was always generated by God the Father, was the Second person of the Trinity, correct?
The big problem is that some keep reading ionto Begotten what the JW say, but not what scriptures and the writers of the Creeds used it as meaning!
 

Van

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The Word was always generated by God the Father, was the Second person of the Trinity, correct?
The big problem is that some keep reading ionto Begotten what the JW say, but not what scriptures and the writers of the Creeds used it as meaning!
On and on Y1 drivels, having no idea what he is talking about.

According to his effort to muddy the water, eternally begotten means eternally not begotten. I kid you not. :)
 

Yeshua1

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On and on Y1 drivels, having no idea what he is talking about.

According to his effort to muddy the water, eternally begotten means eternally not begotten. I kid you not. :)
The truth is that the scriptures and creeds use that term to denote that Jesus was eternally God, not a created being!
 
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