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Commission-on-unalienable-rights

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Wesley Briggman, May 6, 2020.

  1. Wesley Briggman

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    [Gal 6:7 ESV] 7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

    I have posted numerous times the falsehood of the following statement in the Deceleration of Independence.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    There is NO Biblical basis for making that statement. God has not endowed all of mankind with anything, ever.

    Therefore I question the identity of their creator.

    How is it that the Federal Government would take such foolish steps to setup an official commission based on such lies!!

    Commission on Unalienable Rights: Member Bios - United States Department of State
    • Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced Monday the creation of a commission to review the role of human rights in U.S. foreign policy. The Commission on Unalienable Rights is meant to provide advice on human rights based on the nation’s founding principles and the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Pompeo said,...
    Reference: thehill.com/policy/defense/451987-pompeo-launches-controversial-commission-to-examine-unalienable-rights

    [Deu 6:14-15 ESV] 14 You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you-- 15 for the LORD your God in your midst is a jealous God--lest the anger of the LORD your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth.
     
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    Brother, you stated several generalities, but didn’t connect any dots, so it is rather difficult to discern what your objections are.

    On the other hand, the article made it rather clear that those politically opposed to the commission are fearful of two things in particular. They are worried the US will not support abortion or LGBTQ folk internationally. From the article:

    The commission drew swift scrutiny from critics who worry the panel will undermine protections for abortion rights and marginalized groups such as LGBT people.
     
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    These statements, to me, are specific, clearly stated opinions. I sense no generalities in them.

    Do you hold the position the God is their creator and He endowed mankind with unalienable rights? If so, please provide scriptural references supporting your position.
     
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    Well, OK, let’s start out with the most basic and see how it goes.

    After the Flood, God came down rather firmly regarding the right to life, to the point that anyone guilty of murder should be executed, that is, the murderer thereby forfeited his own right to life. God even links it all the way back to creation.

    “Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God he made man,” Gen 9:6.
     
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    I’m starting to experience déjà vu here. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes.
     
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    Since physical life is subject to be taken, then the unalienable endowment of the right to physical life is not valid.

    The DOI states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    The statement does not say "by God", it says "by their Creator". Notice it does not say "our" Creator and it does not identify who "their" are.

    Do you believe "by their Creator" is referencing God?
     
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    You will have to explain what that statement is supposed to mean. The entire point of delineating such human rights is to point out that they should not be violated by man.
    The grammar seems rather straightforward; "they" and “their” refers to “all men.” Are you intending to deny that all men have the same Creator?
     
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    Do you think that human rights are granted by government?
     
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    Answer my question first:
    Oh..ok! God created Adam and Eve. I am a new creation due to my being born again by God's grace.

    Now, I expect an answer to my question: Do you believe "by their Creator" is referencing God?

    Next question: Do you believe Adam and Eve were created equal?
     
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    I gave you an answer regarding right to life. Please to go back and address my inquiry to your response here.
    You will have to explain what that statement is supposed to mean.
     
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    Until I learn of scripture that teaches otherwise, yes. Human rights are also removed and abused by government.

    God has make no inalienable/unalienable endowment to all of humanity.

    God requires His chosen to be obedient to continue receiving His blessings.

    [Jhn 15:10 ESV] 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
     
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    I do not know where the concept of "right to life" originated except in the DOI. If you know of other resources, please share them. If you contend that physical life is an inalienable/unalienable right, then physical life cannot be lost at the hands of another person. Otherwise, it is not inalienable.

    Definition of inalienable | Dictionary.com
    inalienable
    [ in-eyl-yuh-nuh-buhl, -ey-lee-uh- ]SHOW IPA
    SEE SYNONYMS FOR inalienable ON THESAURUS.COM
    adjective
    not transferable to another or not capable of being taken away or denied; not alienable:
     
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    Oh, God allows governments.
     
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    The history of mankind confirms your statement.
     
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    OK, thanks for the clarification. Now I understand where the problem lies. The definition is correct but is being improperly applied.

    An “unalienable right” cannot mean that the right cannot be violated, it means that the right cannot rightly be denied to exist or arbitrarily taken away.

    Recognizing the right to life by passing a law against murder does not mean no one can be murdered. We know they can, thus the reason for stating the law. What it does mean is that the right to life remains so, even if violated, so that a person was indeed murdered and not merely "helped along on their spiritual journey."

    God said the violation of this right was so serious that the murderer must forfeit his own life via execution.
     
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    You just post such crazy stuff. I cant tell if you are serious or not.
     
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    Ever wonder why the godless left is so opposed to the bible? Because it teaches liberty is better than slavery. The left thinks the governed are the slaves of the state, with no rights other than those bestowed by the state.

    So if God bestows life, only God has the creator right to take life. Communists disagree.

    If it is better to be free than slave, and God is sovereign, then God has bestowed the right to strive to be free.

    If the Bible teaches us we are to (1) love God, and (2) enjoy life, then God has bestowed upon us the right to strive to enjoy life.

    I hold these truths to be self evident, those that deny these rights for others, but hold fast to them themselves are deceitful.
     
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    To look at the issue from the other end, the state has bestowed abortion rights and LGBT rights, not found explicitly in scripture.
     
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    Are there any universal rights decreed in scripture?
     
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    He who answers questions with questions practices deflection, but the bible teaches it is better to be free than slave, better to made alive together with Christ, and the way to enjoy life is to love God and strive to keep His commands.

    The universal decree of the godless left is you have no rights, only duties.
     
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