Featured My Theology (6/24h Day Creation, Pre-Trib Pre-Mill, Provisionist, Inerrant Word of God believer)

God is not even done with His covenant to Noah and the Nations. The 3.5 year tribulation is the judgment on the church, the house of Jacob, and the Nations. The Nations go through all 3 sets of Judgments. The house of Jacob goes through the first 2 sets. The church only goes through the Seals. The church and OT Saints, it does not matter if they are Jew or Gentile, will never be removed from the Lamb's book of life. It is spiritually and physically impossible. The body of Christ is taken out even before the 7th Seal is opened. When the 7th Seal is opened the book will be opened, and names will be removed. Names will never, ever be added. During the Seals and Thunderings will be when humans left will chose to remain in the book or not. The 144K are sealed, and cannot be unsealed. They will be whiteness as only the future can describe. We are not told how or what they do. At some point the harvest of the nations and modern Jews will be reaped. Then God will deal directly with any one left alive on earth. Of course the Vatican will want to have a say. They just missed the first and second harvest. Well yes, the woman of Babylon/Rome is still around.

The Second Coming will happen in April of 2023. Christ will make a deal with Satan that lets him have 3.5 years starting on Wednesday of that week. The last 3.5 days of the week will be postponed until the end of that time. There will only be 2 witnesses. The choice will be the mark, and name removed from the Lamb's book of life, or chopping the head off. Those whose heads are chopped off remain in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 20:4-6

4 Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them received authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for testifying about Yeshua and proclaiming the Word of God, also those who had not worshipped the beast or its image and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands. They came to life and ruled with the Messiah for a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over.) This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is anyone who has a part in the first resurrection; over him the second death has no power. On the contrary, they will be cohanim of God and of the Messiah, and they will rule with him for the thousand years.

 

Why in the world would God judge the Church? It's the body of Christ. Would God punish His own Son's body, all believers? The Bible says no: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:1).

Why do you think you know when Christ will come when He Himself said only the Father knows? But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" (Matt. 24:36). "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" (Mark 13:32).

 

I Peter 4:17-19

17 For the time has come for the judgment to begin. It begins with the household of God; and if it starts with us, what will the outcome be for those who are disobeying God’s Good News? —

18 “If the righteous is barely delivered,
where will the ungodly and sinful end up?”

19 So let those who are suffering according to God’s will entrust themselves to a faithful Creator by continuing to do what is good.

We can know the Second Coming. It is spelled out in Revelation and Daniel if any one cares to listen with their God given ears.

The Rapture is the unknown part. Only God knows when that happens. And only the day and hour is hidden. Does not even say month or year. Could one figure out the month after the 4th seal is opened? Who knows? I don't know when the seals will be opened. I can only witness when they have been opened. After the rapture all should know that Revelation is explaining every thing. Unless they keep believing the lies of Satan.

 

Peter is not referring to the church here, but to Israel. Beginning with the term "Bethel," meaning "house of God," there are many, many references in the OT either the Temple or Israel itself as the "house of God." In the NT, we have Matt. 12:4, Mark 2:26, Luke 6:4 and Heb. 10:21 referring to the Temple as the "house of God." The only passage bolstering your assumption that the church is in view in 1 Peter 4:17 is 1 Tim. 3:15, but that is obviously a reference in other passages to Paul's teaching that we (plural) are the temple of God. It is a big jump to assume that Peter is referring to the church.

In Peter's passage, the reference in the context is to suffering persecution as a Christian, not punishment as a Christian. So it is poor exegesis to apply it to the tribulation whatever one's belief on the duration of that time. Peter did not say, "Yeah, God is going to judge the church." He said, "Judgement begins at the house of God" (meaning the temple). 82 times in the OT it means the Temple, so that is what any believing or unbelieving Jew would think of when they read 2 Peter.

That is not what Jesus said in Matt. 24:36, which is about the 2nd coming in power and glory, not the Rapture. Look back at v. 30 in the context, which shows that the coming of v. 36 is public for all to see--not the Rapture. So the Bible is definitely against setting dates for the 2nd Coming, not just the Rapture.

This is an old, old excuse for disobeying the command of God and setting dates. "Oh, it just says 'day and hour,' not 'month and year.'" That's quibbling. Christ was condemning date setting, not saying, "Don't try to figure out the day and hour, but yeah, go ahead with that month and year." Do you really think Christ was giving you permission here to set dates here? If so, you join a multitude in past history who have set dates and then been exposed--the Millerites, Charles Taze Russel, James M. Campbell, Blanton Duncan, that kid in Korea when I was a missionary to Japan (caused an uproar), etc. They were all mistaken.

Luke 12:40, "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."

 

This is a nasty attack. You accuse me of not seeing what the Bible says, being unprepared and having being prepared be against my beliefs, and "adding limits to God's Word." And you don't even know me!!

I taught Bible in Japan for decades. I now teach Bible and theology, including eschatology, in the US at the college and seminary level. I have translated the Greek NT into Japanese, including Revelation. I think we could have had a profitable discussion here. However, by your nastiness, you have chosen not to have me interact with you any more.

Good luck on the BB. I think you'll find that most of us won't put up with these kinds of attacks.

 

Folks, why is it that "pre-wrath" advocates can be so nasty? It's a mystery to me. They claim to be prepared for the 3 1/2 years, but then they don't treat other believers right? Tell you what, even assuming the pre-wrath position is correct (I do not), you're not going to last in tough times (like with a worldwide pandemic, for example) unless you walk with Jesus in the revival lifestyle. Only constant fullness of the Holy Spirit and closeness to Jesus can take us through the tough times.

As I've mentioned on here several times, I had emergency surgery on Christmas Eve last year, and then was in the hospital for 13 days. Through the surgery I developed blood clots in my lungs and diabetes. I had about four lines going in and coming out of my body--couldn't sleep at night for days--just lay in that bed without moving. I'll have follow-up surgery in June, God willing. Folks, the Lord Jesus Christ was incredibly near to me all through the experience. He kept me from fear and worry. This was the worst tribulation of my life, yet God was with me, incredibly close. I do not regret a split second of that experience.

If I am wrong, perchance, and we do go through part or all of the Tribulation Period, I know that God will be with me then. I'm fully prepared spiritually.

 

The very fact that I do not know you, declares it was not an attack. Why do you defend yourself?

It was a challenge to prove me wrong. Since I made no guesses about your character and knowledge, how was I even attempting an attack? If you choose not to defend your post, you are certainly free to walk away. I am not here to play games, guess if people have mountains of education backing them up, judging people, nor here to change one's beliefs.

 

Oh, really? So some guy knocks me down on the street and takes my wallet, but it isn't an attack because he didn't know me?

Didn't defend myself at all. Simply gave a brief resume and declared that I was done with you. But you are being inconsistent. if you didn't attack me then I didn't defend myself, right?

So now I'll put you on "ignore."

 

he seems to be someone whose full time gig is making up those end time prophecy charts, and waiting on roof for Jesus to soon return!

 

Hmm.

 

What did you loose in this attack, that was not an attack, if you lost nothing?

You are the one who said it was a nasty attack. Are you withdrawing that statement?

 

I am just waiting for the 1000 year reign of Christ. I may be patient enough to wait for the New Heavens and Earth, but that seems too noble of a goal. I think having fun on this current earth for a 1000 years will fly by too fast as it is.

 

Exhibit B

 

Lots of pushback. I'm shocked these are controversial points.

In all seriousness, though, I do see a correlation between biblical six-day creationism and premillennialism. They are both straightforward literal approaches to biblical history and prophecy. Straying from this approach, I agree, is problematic.

 

The two are not mutually exclusive, and in a sense you're right. An event is on the horizon known as the rapture. The Church will be taken out of the earth, ushering in the tribulation period.

You'll notice in Revelation, the Church is not mentioned after chapter 3 when the tribulation is described in detail, until Christ returns with his saints.

 

Except for that small detail about the Lamb's book of life, the Atonement, the seven seals, seals 5 and 6, the alter in heaven, who the saints are, who gets a robe of white, glorified bodies, sons of God. Nothing much, just the mystery of God's hidden plan of what this whole reality really is.

 

Long listen, but worth the while.

 

How do any of these depict the Church on earth? Not a single one. You think atonement is a term exclusive to the Church? You think the Lamb is a reference to the Church? That the church has a book of life? Very strange.

The rapture view, is the the Church is taken up to heaven to later return with Christ. That whole robe scene is in heaven. They are absent on the earth during the tribulation period. You really should look into this view.

 

It is kinda hard for the church to avoid the seals, but easy for it's members to remain in the dark.