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Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies. Literally or spiritually understood?

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    Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies. Literally or spiritually understood?

    It appears the major split in the Church today is over who to believe. Jesus and Daniel, or the Pharisees.

    Daniel said the Kingdom of God would appear during the times of the ancient Roman Empire. And Jesus confirmed this as true. He preached the Kingdom was at hand. It already had been suffering violence. And that he casting out demons was proof it arrived. But he threw everyone a huge curveball to everyone by saying this.

    Everyone expected a literal physical kingdom similar to David’s that would rid the land of the Romans and do all the Old Testament prophets said it would do.

    But here’s what happened instead. Jesus continued preaching the gospel of the Kingdom describing it as invisible. Also spiritual in makeup. A kingdom only the born again could see. Later he said his kingdom is not of this world and comes without observation. That the kingdom is within you.

    In contrast, the Pharisees taught a literal physical kingdom based on a literal interpretation of Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies. And so, here’s where the split begins. Do we side with Jesus and Daniel, thinking it must have been a spiritual kingdom they were thinking about? Opting for a purely spiritual kingdom that must now be present? Or do we side with the Pharisees and say Jesus and Daniel were wrong because the physical kingdom of the prophets didn’t show when it was supposed to?

    What it means. If Jesus and Daniel were right, all the Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies were symbols of the spiritual Kingdom, not to be taken literally. Similar to Revelation where the symbols depict spiritual realities. That is how Jesus and the Church interpreted them.

    Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom. And eventually, the disciples caught on. Peter preached the completed gospel at Pentecost. It includes Jesus’ death burial and resurrection. With his ascent to heaven where he presently rules from David’s Throne. Nearly all versions of the gospel miss this that Jesus is now seated on David’s throne in heavenly Jerusalem above.

    Jesus is Ezekiel’s Temple. The Temple made without hands. And when you study it, only God can build it because of incomplete height measurements. You would need to add to God’s word in order to build it.

    Jesus also said John the Baptist was Elijah. Meaning Elijah was a symbol for John.

    He also taught in the Beatitudes that believers are Israel to whom the promises apply. This by recognizing the fruit they bear. Paul elaborates on this later defining Jesus as Abraham’s Seed to whom the promises apply.

    The Pharisees rejected this since it didn’t match their millennial views of the 1000 year-long physical kingdom they expected. One that ultimately ends in a third temple and animal sacrifices for the whole world. Incidentally, Hebrews 6 calls this an unforgivable sin even though many Christians have it in mind to do just this if and when the occasion arises.

    So if we have what it takes, we need to start reading our Bibles with spiritual eyes. Knowing the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Pharisees know how to read a cookbook. But they have a veil over their eyes and don’t know how to read a bible.



    Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

    “And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

    “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

    “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

    “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

    “Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

    “Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

    “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

    “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

    “But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

    “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

    “because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

    “Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

    “He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

    “When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

    “for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

    “I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

    “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

    “That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

    “And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

    “And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

     
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    You'll get no argument from me Dave... Brother Glen:)

    1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

    15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


    15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

    15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
     
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    Jesus stated that the Apostles themselves would sit with Him upon his earthly throne and judge 12 tribes of Israel, and that those who died for his sake in f=Great tribulation resurrected to rule and reign with him also!
     
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    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. It is heavenly.
     
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    That is for heaven but those here on Earth during His rule are flesh and blood!
     
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    Violence to the truth is what you do when disseminating falsehoods like this.

    Use you Bible Yesh like you claim to do. Where does Christ ever say it's an earthly throne?
     
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    You are conflating the Kingdom of God and the Davidic Kingdom. Without further evidence, that is poor exegesis.
     
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    They are the same in the New Covenant. In fact, David's Throne was Gods' throne in the OT.
     
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    They cannot enter the kingdom, let alone see it.
     
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    Revelation 20!
     
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    Jesus yet to set upon the throne of David over the Jews, as they rejected Him before, but at His returning, they will say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"
     
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    Trust me, all who have received Jesus as their Messiah will enter in, regardless of their eschatology!
     
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    Just hard to accept that one must be AMil to even be saved!
     
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    Messiah yet to set upon it!
     
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    Reference please? God's throne as in possession or God's throne in that God sat on it?

    According to Hebrews 12:2, Jesus is currently not on the throne of God, but seated to the right of it. "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God."
     
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    Is that what the author of the thread says??
     
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    Is it correct to interpret this as meaning one must be of your eschatalogical position to be saved?
     
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    If this passage is talking about both the throne of David and the throne of the Kingdom of God in the teachings of Jesus, then we have God as a descendant of David--"thy seed."
     
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    That seems to be exactly what he appears to be saying!
     
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    Jesus has yet to be seated upon the throne of david as the King of israel!
     
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