Do you think Jesus Will Return, today?, to Create The New Heavens & The New Earth?

[Alan Gross]

(Re)New(ed) Creation: The End of the Story

This is an amazing article, where Michael W. Goheen asks,
"Salvation: Escape from Creation to Heaven or Restoration of Creation on New Earth?"

(Any time you see someone referencing Anthony Hoekema’, go for it).

"Our view of the future matters because it shapes our lives today."

This is the question: "Is going to heaven when you die the goal of God’s redemptive work?

If so, it colors all the elements of Biblical hope.

But consider this Question: Or is the goal of the story of God’s redeeming work a Renewed Creation?

"Then the Return of Christ, the Restoration of God’s Kingdom, the Resurrection, and Judgment take on a different meaning.

"I believe that the Bible supports the latter:

God will renew the whole creation."

"There is shalom and harmony.

The relationship between God and humankind is healed.

God’s presence is closer than ever before.

The relationship between human beings is healed.

Love reigns.

Human life in all its aspects is purified.

The non-human creation shares in this liberation of God’s people.

And so God’s people live with this hope of healed and renewed creation.

Their prayer until that day is ‘Come, Lord Jesus’ (Revelation 22:20)."

...

This is what we may learn from Prophecy, about the future.

Jesus may return, today.

http://missionworldview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ReNewed-Creation-The-End-of-the-Story.pdf

 

[37818]

Really?
A few things I know are true:
1) Christ's return will be sudden, Matthew 24:27.
2) It will occur some 1000 years before the end of this creation, Revelation 20:4-11.
3) The restored creation, the New Heaven and Earth will take place after the Judgement, Revelation 20:11-15; Revelation 21.

 

[Alan Gross]

Really?
A few things I know are true:
1) Christ's return will be sudden, Matthew 24:27.
2) It will occur some 1000 years before the end of this creation, Revelation 20:4-11.
3) The restored creation, the New Heaven and Earth will take place after the Judgement, Revelation 20:11-15; Revelation 21.

I treat Matthew 24:27, in it's context, at links on those scriptures, below. Jesus Comes in Judgement, as lightening, referenced to other Bible discriptions, on Jerusalem, in A.D. 70.

No reference to the End Times in your point 1.

The symbolic use of language allows for our current Age to be The 1,000 years mentioned in your point 2.

This could happen, today:

3) The restored creation, the New Heaven and Earth will take place after the Judgement, Revelation 20:11-15; Revelation 21.

Really: 9.0.0 > NT Intro iv: SIXTY-SIX NEW TESTAMENT Verses Teach The SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST & THE END of TIME.

 

[37818]

I treat Matthew 24:27, in it's context, at links on those scriptures, below. Jesus Comes in Judgement, as lightening, referenced to other Bible discriptions, on Jerusalem, in A.D. 70.

No reference to the End Times in your point 1.

The symbolic use of language allows for our current Age to be The 1,000 years mentioned in your point 2.

This could happen, today:

3) The restored creation, the New Heaven and Earth will take place after the Judgement, Revelation 20:11-15; Revelation 21.

Really: 9.0.0 > NT Intro iv: SIXTY-SIX NEW TESTAMENT Verses Teach The SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST & THE END of TIME.

Ok. We do not agree. There are specifics which need to be dealt with separately. For example, I understand only Matthew 24:2 has to do with 70AD. What Jesus answers following the discieples questions, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" is only to answer the second question, "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Not the 70AD.

 

[Alan Gross]

Ok. We do not agree. There are specifics which need to be dealt with separately. For example, I understand only Matthew 24:2 has to do with 70AD. What Jesus answers following the discieples questions, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" is only to answer the second question, "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Not the 70AD.

7. 24:36-51
The Olivet Discourse
( in these verses of Matthew 24, only,
[ NOT in THE PREVIOUS VERSES
of MATTHEW 24 ]
in which JESUS CHRIST
describes
THE END of THE WORLD,
when JESUS COMES AGAIN ).

4. 13:32-37
The Olivet Discourse
( in these verses of Mark 13, only,
in which JESUS CHRIST
describes
THE END of THE WORLD,
when JESUS COMES AGAIN
See the Explanation of Matthew 24:36-51, at:

9.0.18 ! SATAN SOLD, “The Pre-Mil/ Rapture” Trap
to The Candlestick’s Angles in Jesus’ Right Hand
and THEY BOUGHT IT ).

I will Interpret Matthew 24,
to be Jesus’ Answers
to The Disciples THREE Questions,
as so, in Matthew 24:3, when;
…
FIRST:
” … as He Sat on the Mount of Olives,
the Disciples came to Him privately,
saying,
Tell us, when shall these things be?”
…
When shall “What Things be”?
…
Regarding the Immediate Context,
previously,
where Matthew 24:1 & 2 State:
…
1 “And Jesus went out,
and
Departed from the Temple:
and
His Disciples came to Him
for to show Him
the buildings of the Temple.
…
2 And Jesus Said to them,
See you not all these things?
Truly I Say to you,
There shall not be left here
one stone on another,
that shall not be thrown down.”
…
So, in this First of Three Question
by The Disciples to Jesus,
“When shall ‘What Things’ be”?
is
Answered by Jesus,
Regarding, WHEN:
“There shall not be left here
one stone on another,
that shall not be thrown down”.
…
And “When” is that?
…
The Passage from
Matthew 24:4-14,
Gives all the Preliminary Things
Jesus Said Would Take Place
PRIOR TO:
“then shall the end come”
in Matthew 24:14;
…
WHAT END?
…
THE END of THE TEMPLE:
that
Jesus and His Disciples
ARE DISCUSSING;
…
WHEN:
“There shall not be left here
one stone on another,
that shall not be thrown down”,
at THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM.
…
Everything Contained
in Matthew 24:4-14;
Is PRIOR TO
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM,
including;
Matthew 24:14;
“And this Gospel of the Kingdom
shall be Preached in all the World
for a Witness to all Nations;
and then shall the End Come.”
…
These Following Words SPEAK of
all the Preliminary Things
Jesus Said Would Take Place
PRIOR TO:
“then shall the end come”
in Matthew 24:14;
which is Concerning,
THE END of THE TEMPLE
and
ARE SAID by JESUS
to Take Place
PRIOR TO
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM.
…
NONE OF THESE WORDS
ARE REFERRING TO,
“THE END of THE WORLD”,
IN ANY WAY.
…
There is No “Double Fulfillment”
of Jesus’ Prophecy
AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT,
“the entire Chapter 24 of Matthew
has already taken place”.
No.
…
I am saying what I believe Jesus Says,
Matthew 24:4-34
HAVE TAKEN PLACE
and
Matthew 24:35-51
DESCRIBE
“THE END of THE WORLD”,
the way Jesus Says it does.
…
Jesus FIRST Prophesied
“The End” of The Temple
and
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM,
which then HAPPENED,
as Recorded in Matthew 24:15-34.
…

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[Alan Gross]

7. 24:36-51
The Olivet Discourse

FIRST:
ALL THESE THINGS,
in Matthew 24:4-14,
TOOK PLACE
PRIOR TO
“THE END of THE TEMPLE”
and
THE JEWISH NATION
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM,
…
THE ACTUAL, HISTORIC,
END of THE TEMPLE”
and
THE JEWISH NATION
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM,
then HAPPENED,
as Recorded in Matthew 24:15-34.
…
“Take heed that no man deceive you.”
…
Ether.
…
Here is HISTORY,
FIRST,
PRIOR to
“THE END”,
when Titus’ Armies Poured Out
GREAT TRIBULATION,
SUCH HAD NEVER BEEN SEEN,
UPON THE JEWISH PEOPLE
and
THE TEMPLE,
TO THE EXTENT THAT
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PROPHESIED:
“There shall not be left here
one stone on another,
that shall not be thrown down”.
…
BEFORE THAT
“GREAT TRIBULATION”
Titus’ Armies Poured Out
UPON THE JEWISH PEOPLE
and
THE TEMPLE,
WHAT TOOK PLACE
IN HISTORY,
LEADING UP
TO THE ANSWER TO THEIR QUESTION,
“Tell us, when shall these things be?”,
…
JESUS ANSWERED,
THAT THESE THINGS WILL OCCUR,
FIRST,
“then shall the end come”,
of THE TEMPLE, etc.
…
WHAT WILL OCCUR,
FIRST,
BEFORE
“THE END of THE TEMPLE”?
…
4 “And Jesus Answered and Said to them,
Take heed that no man deceive you”.
…
False Christs:
…
5 “Because many shall come in My Name,
saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many.
…
6 And you shall hear of wars
and
rumors of wars:
see that you be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.
…
7 For nation shall rise against nation,
and
kingdom against kingdom:
and
there shall be famines, and pestilences,
and earthquakes, in divers places.
…
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
…
Witnessing to All Nations:
…
9 Then shall they
deliver you up to be afflicted,
and shall kill you:
and you shall be hated of all nations
for My Name’s Sake.
…
10 And then shall many be offended,
and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
…
11 And many false prophets shall rise,
and shall deceive many.
…
12 And because iniquity shall abound,
the love of many shall wax cold.
…
13 But he that shall endure to the end,
the same shall be saved.”
…
ENDURE TO THE END OF?
THE TEMPLE at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM
when:
“The Abomination of Desolation”
TAKES PLACE.
…
Which, in context,
13 “But he that shall endure to the end,
the same shall be saved.”
is RESTATED
as JESUS DESCRIBES WHAT WILL
ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE
DURING:
“The Abomination of Desolation”
AND THE END OF THE TEMPLE
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM:
…
22 “And except those Days should be shortened,
there should no flesh be Saved:
but for the Elect’s Sake
those Days shall be shortened.”
…
In other words,
13a “But he that shall endure to the end,”
OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION
WHICH IS DURING:
The Abomination of Desolation
AND THE END OF THE TEMPLE
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM:
13b “the same shall be saved.”
…
OTHERWISE:
24:22b “there should no flesh be Saved:
but for the Elect’s Sake
those Days shall be shortened.”
…
…

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[Alan Gross]

AGAIN,
ONE MORE VERSE,
BEFORE:
The Abomination of Desolation.
…
JESUS SAID,
IN ANSWER TO
24:3b “WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE ?”
…
24:14 “And this Gospel of the Kingdom
shall be Preached in all the World
for a Witness to all Nations;
and
then shall the End Come.”
…
THE “END COME” OF?
THE TEMPLE at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM
when:
“The Abomination of Desolation”
TAKES PLACE.
…
Then,
WHEN THE DISCIPLES DO SEE:
The Abomination of Desolation,
THE “END OF?
THE TEMPLE at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM
when:
“The Abomination of Desolation”
TAKES PLACE
IS:
“THE SIGN” of JESUS COMING
in PROVIDENTIAL JUDGMENT,
AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE
and
THEIR NATION AT JERUSALEM,
which is
JESUS’ ANSWER
to THEIR SECOND QUESTION:
…
SECONDLY:
“and
what shall be the sign of Your Coming,”
which
IS IN REFERENCE TO?
“The Abomination of Desolation”
&
“The ‘Coming’ of the Son of Man”,
when the Son of Man is Seen Coming,
IN TEMPORAL,
PROVIDENTIAL JUDGMENT,
UPON THE NATION of ISRAEL,
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM;
…
27 “Because
as the lightning comes out of the east,
and shines even to the west;
so shall also
the Coming of the Son of Man be.
( When:
the Son of Man
is Seen Coming
IN TEMPORAL,
PROVIDENTIAL JUDGMENT,
UPON THE NATION of ISRAEL,
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM,
AS:
The Roman Soldiers of Titus
SWOOP IN FROM ALL SIDES,
“as the lightning comes out of the east,
and shines even to the west”,
AND THAT EQUALS:
“You Better
DROP EVERYTHING
and
RUN !!!!!!!!!
…
In Context:
16 “Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains:
…
17 Let him which is on the housetop
not come down to take anything
out of his house:
…
18 Neither let him which is in the field
return back to take his clothes”, etc., etc.
…
28 Because wherever
the carcass is,”
( The Death of Jewish People and Natio
n at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM )
…
“there will the eagles
be gathered together”
( Roman Soldiers ).
…
THE DISCIPLES SECOND QUESTION, THEN:
“and
what shall be the sign of Your Coming,”
which Regards:
“The Abomination of Desolation”
&
“The ‘Coming’ of the Son of Man”,
when the Son of Man is Seen Coming,
IN TEMPORAL,
PROVIDENTIAL JUDGMENT,
UPON THE NATION of ISRAEL,
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM;
and is Answered by Jesus,
in Matthew 24:26-35
AND
THAT IS THE ONLY THING
THAT THESE PASSAGES REFER TO
AND
NOT
“THE END of THE WORLD”.
…
24:34 “Truly I Say to you,
This generation shall not pass,
till All These Things Be Fulfilled.”
…
WHAT GENERATION?
…
THE NATURAL GENERATION
of INDIVIDUALS LISTENING
to JESUS SPEAK
THESE PROPHETIC WORDS.
…
UNTIL
ALL of WHAT?
“Things Be Fulfilled”?
…
“The Abomination of Desolation”
&
“The ‘Coming’ of the Son of Man”,
when the Son of Man is Seen Coming,
IN TEMPORAL,
PROVIDENTIAL JUDGMENT,
UPON THE NATION of ISRAEL,
at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM.
…

 

[Alan Gross]

THIRDLY:
The Disciples had asked Jesus:
“and
of the End of the World?”
…
Regarding What?
The End of the World,
friend.
…
Regarding
The End of the World,
in Matthew 24:36;
JESUS SAID,
“But of that Day and Hour
knows no man,
no, not the Angels of Heaven,
but My Father Only”,
…
WHAT
“Day and Hour”?
…
We know from the previous verse,
in Matthew 24:35;
WHEN:
24:35 “Heaven and Earth
Shall Pass Away…”
…
In other words:
24:26a “But of that Day and Hour…”
WHEN:
24:35a “Heaven and Earth
Shall Pass Away…”
JESUS
Answers in Matthew 24:36-51.
…
This means that
“The SECOND COMING of JESUS”,
IN JUDGMENT,
AT THE END of THIS AGE,
is:
THE END of THE WORLD
and
Remains Exclusively
What The Bible Says
THE END of THE WORLD
is,
as well as, WHEN: Jesus Said,
in Matthew 24:37, 42 & 44;
…
24:37 “But as the days of Noe were,
so shall also
The Coming of the Son of Man be”
( at THE END of THE WORLD )
…
24:42 “Watch, therefore:
for you know not what Hour
your Lord Does Come.”
…
24:44 “Therefore be you also ready:
for in such an hour as you think not
the Son of Man Comes.”
…
Regarding:
17 “Then we which are alive and remain
shall be Caught Up Together
with them in the Clouds,
to meet the Lord in the Air:
and
so shall we Ever Be with the Lord.”
…
So, there should be
NO REFERENCE
to Matthew 24:4-35,
Regarding,
“THE END of THE WORLD”,
made by “Preachers”, or “Authors”,
because
Matthew 24:4-35
ONLY REFERS, EXCLUSIVELY, to:
The Death of Jewish People and Nation at
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM.
…
ALL of THE “ISSUES”
in these VERSES
from Matthew 24:4-14,
TOOK PLACE
PRIOR to
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM
AND
DO NOT “REFER TO”
or “APPLY” to ANY
“END of THE WORLD”
that
JESUS TALKS ABOUT:
…
Matthew 24:5b;
“many shall come in My Name,
saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many”
…
Matthew 24:6a;
“you shall hear of wars
and
rumors of wars”
…
Matthew 24:7;
“Nation shall rise against nation,
and
kingdom against kingdom:
and
there shall be famines, and pestilences,
and earthquakes, in divers places”
…
Matthew 24:9;
“Then shall they
deliver you up to be afflicted,
and shall kill you”
…
Matthew 24:11;
“Many false prophets shall rise”
…
Matthew 24:12, 13;
“…iniquity shall abound,
the love of many shall wax cold.”
…
“But he that shall endure to the end,
the same shall be saved.”
…
IN ADDITION:
ALL of THE “ISSUES”
in these VERSES
from Matthew 24:15-35;
TOOK PLACE
DURING
THE DESTRUCTION of JERUSALEM
AND
DO NOT “REFER TO”
or “APPLY” to ANY
“END of THE WORLD”
that
JESUS TALKS ABOUT:
…
Matthew 24:15;
“When you, therefore, shall see
the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the Prophet”
…
Matthew 24:21;
Because then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not
since the beginning of the world
to this time,
no, nor ever shall be.”
…
Matthew 24:22;
“except those days should be shortened,
there should no flesh be saved”
…
Matthew 24:24;
“Because there shall arise false Christs,
and false prophets,
and
shall show great signs and wonders;
so that, if it were possible,
they shall deceive the very Elect.”
…
Matthew 24:27;
“Because as the lightning comes out of the east,
and shines even to the west;
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
…
Matthew 24: 28;
“Because wherever the carcass is,
there will the eagles be gathered together.”
…
Matthew 24:29;
“Immediately
after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”
( Question:
Do we need to look up references
in The Bible to:
“the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven”,
in order to arrive
at the Biblical Interpretation?
…
Answer: We need to do that
in order to arrive
at the Biblical Interpretation
of every other Scripture,
don’t we?
…
Hint: “Luminaries such as these
“pictured” Joseph’s family
“Bowing Down to him”,
in one of the dreams, he had, right?
…
Genesis 10:9;
And he ( Joseph )
dreamed yet another dream,
and
told it his brothers, and said,
Behold, I have dreamed a dream more;
and, behold,
the sun and the moon
and
the eleven stars
made obeisance
( deference, homage )
to me.”
…
And in Genesis,
at The Creation of “The Sun”
and “The Moon”,
they are respectively Said
to DO WHAT,
“Over The Day” and “Over The Night”?
…
“RULE” !
“GOVERN”!
…
Genesis 1:16;
“And God Made Two Great Lights;
the Greater Light to Rule the Day,
and
the Lesser Light to Rule the Night:
He Made the Stars also.”
…
Now go to get your
Divine Interpretation of
Matthew 24:29;
“Immediately
after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened,
and
the moon shall not give her light,
and
the stars shall fall from heaven,
and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”
( all speaking of “Rulers”/ “Governors”
of various degrees )
…
Matthew 24:30;
And then shall appear
the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory.
…
Matthew 24:31;
And he shall send his angels
with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together his elect
from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.
…
Matthew 24:34;
Truly I say to you,
This generation shall not pass,
till all these things are fulfilled.
…
AS FAR AS,
THE END of THE WORLD,
WITH JESUS’ SECOND COMING,
JESUS SAID:
“No Sign Shall Be Given”.
…
Matthew 16:4;
“A wicked and adulterous generation
seeks after a sign;
and
there shall no sign be given to it,
but the sign of the prophet Jonas.
And he left them, and departed.”
…
TRY TO READ THESE PASSAGES
from
GOD’S ETERNAL WORD,
One More Time:
…
24:37 “But as the days of Noe were,
so shall also
The Coming of the Son of Man be”
( at THE END of THE WORLD )
24:42 “Watch, therefore:
for you know not what Hour
your Lord Does Come.”
…
24:44 “Therefore be you also ready:
for in such an hour as you think not
the Son of Man Comes.”
Regarding:
17 “Then we which are alive and remain
shall be Caught Up Together
with them in the Clouds,
to meet the Lord in the Air:
and
so shall we Ever Be with the Lord.”
…
Many God-called,
Ordained Landmark Baptist Preachers,
COULDN’T PREACH
THE COMING of JESUS
OUT of A WET PAPER BAG.
`…

 

[Alan Gross]

The ONE way that the three questions that the Disciples asked Jesus may be structured to fit like a hand in a glove is shown in the previous posts.

It is O.K. to know that Prophecy, Parables and Answers to questions, by Jesus, can be Divinely Interpreted, where every word is reconciled and no other false teaching can be invented.

Daniel 7 & 9 should be able to be Taught as they are written, just like Revelation 20.

The structure for interpreting Revelation is Given with "The Seven Spirits" and The Seven churches. The Seven Visions and ONE Message, with seven different areas of emphasis.

Each of The seven Visions of Revelation alludes to The FIRST ADVENT of JESUS and they each include a depiction of THE SECOND COMING of JESUS.

Therefore, to read and develope thoughts based on a chronological interpretation, by beginning with chapter 1 and thinking that chapter 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,& 22 proceed one after the other is noviceville.

These Biblically presented hermeneutical patterns must be followed and when so, The Bible is possible to Interpret.

There are not seven different Holy Spirits and the letters to the churches were all written to all of those seven churches, and in principle, to all following churches of Jesus.

This forum has an outreach.

This interpretation of Matthew 24 is the only ONE Taught by The Bible.

Study it.

Learn it.

Pass it on.

If you are called.

Each of The seven Visions of Revelation COVERS THE EXACT SAME PERIOD of TIME, from Jesus' First Advent to His Second Coming and each has verses which allude to The FIRST ADVENT of JESUS and they each include a depiction of THE SECOND COMING of JESUS.

Each of the seven visions covers the same exact period of time, with each giving its own perspective, in gradually deeper detail and REVELATION.

 

[37818]

@Alan Gross,
Thank you.
Your argument is too long. Too many issues.

 

[Alan Gross]

@Alan Gross,
Thank you.
Your argument is too long. Too many issues.

Too many False Gospels eliminated?