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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Jun 22, 2020.

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    pre ( before ) destination . God predestines all those believers to be glorified. simple simple simple .
     
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    So why are you not preaching down at the cemetery?
     
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    The bible says the Gospel IS the power of God UNTO salvation.
     
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    It’s used enough to make the point! But again, what is predestination?

    Predestination means the end of a journey determined beforehand. There is but one destination that was predestinated and that destination is heaven and immortal glory. It is there that all the saints will be conformed to the image of God for this is what God had predestinated. "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Romans 8:29). Paul also writes, "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" (Ephesians 1:5). We are told why the saints are predestinated. "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" (Ephesians 1:11).
     
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    Acts 13 ..context context context . ( keep reading principle also .)
    46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
    so simply certain Jews ' judged them selves unworthy and some gentiles after hearing judged " hey I believe this " simple simple simple plain reading .
     
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    After we believe and only then do we recieve .
     
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    And what of the work of the HS?
     
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    That’s quite an arrogant comment. Do you want to retract it?
     
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    it's clearly to show how using ' dead ' the way calvernism uses it is not consistent.
     
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    So in other words you have to read and understand it prior to being saved, right.
     
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    What do you mean ?
     
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    We have to hear the Gospel yes .
     
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    Oh I get it, your issue is with Calvinism... so you blather. Got it. Well I for one am not a Calvinist, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
     
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    So how about those who can’t hear it... perhaps do to physical challenges that prohibit it.... do you relegate them to hell?
     
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    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    14¶How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
     
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    Are you not saying that if they are not one of the frozen chosen that they couldn't believe anyway ?
     
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    By what means?
     
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    If they are not Chosen to salvation can they believe in your scheme ?
     
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