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Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Barry Johnson said:
You would think it was used in every verse according to some .
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It’s used enough to make the point! But again, what is predestination?

Predestination means the end of a journey determined beforehand. There is but one destination that was predestinated and that destination is heaven and immortal glory. It is there that all the saints will be conformed to the image of God for this is what God had predestinated. "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Romans 8:29). Paul also writes, "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" (Ephesians 1:5). We are told why the saints are predestinated. "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" (Ephesians 1:11).
 
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Dave Gilbert said:
What is that context, Barry, if I may ask?

"* Elect" doesn't mean "chosen"?
* (of a person) chosen or singled out.
"one of the century's elect"

"* Ordained" doesn't mean "commissioned", "set forth", "appointed", etc?
* order or decree (something) officially.

"* Granted" does not mean "given"?
* agree to give or allow (something requested) to.

What does "called" mean to you?
"Summoned", as the dictionary says, or something else?;)


I'm also not sure how I became a "Calvinist", since all I was doing was reading the Scriptures one day and *click* I understood the words to mean exactly what they said on the page.
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" And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." ( Acts of the Apostles 13:48 ).

So, when I read this, I clearly saw that only as many as were ordained to eternal life, believed, and only those who were ordained to eternal life.
I'm also not sure how anybody could have difficulty believing what this says, as to me, it's quite simple and straightforward.

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What I did not do, was read the Scriptures, come to something I didn't understand, and then find a commentary that I thought seemed right to me and plug that explanation in as my own personal definition of what I was having trouble with.
I do know of people who do that, but I never seemed to have this problem with the words themselves... only with trying to understand how it all fit together, which came to me gradually ( and still does, to an extent ) over the years.


The words on the page were all I that needed, sir.:)
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Acts 13 ..context context context . ( keep reading principle also .)
46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
so simply certain Jews ' judged them selves unworthy and some gentiles after hearing judged " hey I believe this " simple simple simple plain reading .
 
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Barry Johnson

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Barry Johnson said:
Acts 13 ..context context context . ( keep reading principle also .)
46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
so simply certain Jews ' judged them selves unworthy and some gentiles after hearing judged " hey I believe this " simple simple simple plain reading Notice some reject and some accept . That's all Acts 13 is saying. Without imposing Gnostic Augustines philosophy and just believe the text it's simple. .
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Earth Wind and Fire said:
So how about those who can’t hear it... perhaps do to physical challenges that prohibit it.... do you relegate them to hell?
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13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14¶How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
 
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