Your favorite Baptist books

[Yeshua1]

No, the early Church condemned them recognizing Amillennialism as the teaching of the scriptures.

many of the ECF were the ones we got how to understand NT theology from, and yet you declared them holding to premil as being heretics!

 

[1689Dave]

Well, since you insist on derailing the thread, I'm going to ignore your ignoring of the plain Scriptural statement that Christ will reign for 1000 years, and bow out of the thread. Ta ta for now.

It does not say that. You base your call on Dispensational bias and not from the scriptural comparison.

 

[1689Dave]

many of the ECF were the ones we got how to understand NT theology from, and yet you declared them holding to premil as being heretics!

They had to learn and in time they did. Jesus taught Amillennialism and Peter preached it at Pentecost Acts 2ff.

 

[1689Dave]

There is also just Jesus worshiped and heeded as King, as just Christianity is allowed as religion, guess Muslims have not yet gotten that memo!

Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Why twist his words into Phariseeism?

 

[InTheLight]

It does not say that.

List of faulty arguments used by Calvinists
#1. THE WORD IN THAT VERSE ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING ELSE

 

[Yeshua1]

I do not agree with Piper's theology as a whole. But I do like Piper (and John Owen) when it comes to the principle that God changes our desire (that we are conformed more and more into the "mind of Christ"). I like the book. I also do not care for the "Christen Hedonism" term, but if you read the book it does not take long to understand that Piper is redefining "hedonism".

Basically his claim (like the claim of John Owen) is that Christians have a "new heart" and new desires. The old is passed away and we are made new creatures. We sin, but we are never content in sin. We are only content when we are pleasing God.

The ultimate claim is that we desire God as believers where we did not prior to being saved. We desire to please God.

Out of obedience or out of love?

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Why twist his words into Phariseeism?

His Kingdom was not at that time, but will be at his second coming!

 

[JonC]

Out of obedience or out of love?

Out of our hearts being changed. You have to keep in mind Piper is a strong Calvinist (five points, plus double predestination). He believes that Christians are reborn and God takes out their old heart and gives them a new one (a new spirit, put's God's Spirit in them).

So his premise is that we obey out of love as our nature has been changed.

 

[Yeshua1]

Out of our hearts being changed. You have to keep in mind Piper is a strong Calvinist (five points, plus double predestination). He believes that Christians are reborn and God takes out their old heart and gives them a new one (a new spirit, put's God's Spirit in them).

So his premise is that we obey out of love as our nature has been changed.

Isn't that pretty much what Christianity has taught since time of Christ though?

 

[JonC]

Isn't that pretty much what Christianity has taught since time of Christ though?

Yes. If you have read John Owen and then John Piper you will also see that they are very much alike.

His point is more relative to us, I think. What he saw was Christians who looked at obedience to God as if it were opposite to their desires. Piper's point is that we, being recreated, should have different desires (if we love God we should desire to please God....our desires change).

 

[1689Dave]

His Kingdom was not at that time, but will be at his second coming!

“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (NCPB)

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes. If you have read John Owen and then John Piper you will also see that they are very much alike.

His point is more relative to us, I think. What he saw was Christians who looked at obedience to God as if it were opposite to their desires. Piper's point is that we, being recreated, should have different desires (if we love God we should desire to please God....our desires change).

Before we were saved by the Lord, our desires were to please ourselves mainly!

 

[John of Japan]

It does not say that. You base your call on Dispensational bias and not from the scriptural comparison.

You have got to be kidding me. "Doesn't say that" my eye. What in the world else does "reign with him a 1000 years" mean????

You need a course in logic, brother Dave.

 

[Yeshua1]

“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (NCPB)

The Kingdom was in and with Him at that time, but will be spread over whole earth when he returns!

 

[JonC]

Before we were saved by the Lord, our desires were to please ourselves mainly!

The book is directed to Christians. What Piper is saying is that when we are saved we should have a mind that is set on the Spirit.

“The overriding concern of this book is that in all of life God be glorified the way He Himself has appointed. To that end this book aims to persuade you that the chief end of man is to glorify God by enjoying Him forever.”

The idea is that the more we are like Christ the more we glorify God and the more God is pleased with us.

 

[Salty]

Two of mine are:

1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith
This book is absolutely essential if one is a Reformed Baptist!

Believer's Baptism: Sign of the New Covenant in Christ
Editors Thomas R. Schreiner and Shawn Wright
This book is amazing! The contributors deftly deal with all arguments in favor of paedobaptism.

I have a radical ideal - Seeing that the OP is about
"Your favorite Baptist books"
So Why not just list your favorite book
If you want to get into a detailed discussion
start a new thread.

Note: this is just a suggestion - of a BB member
Not a requirement of an admin.

 

[JonC]

I have a radical ideal - Seeing that the OP is about
"Your favorite Baptist books"
So Why not just list your favorite book
If you want to get into a detailed discussion
start a new thread.

Note: this is just a suggestion - of a BB member
Not a requirement of an admin.

Desiring God by John Piper.

 

[JonC]

Also Radical by David Platt and No One Like Him by John Feinberg.

 

[1689Dave]

The Kingdom was in and with Him at that time, but will be spread over whole earth when he returns!

Only in the New Heavens and earth. Jesus says his kingdom is not of this world.

 

[1689Dave]

You have got to be kidding me. "Doesn't say that" my eye. What in the world else does "reign with him a 1000 years" mean????

You need a course in logic, brother Dave.

Revelation is symbolic. You miss it completely expecting the symbols to appear instead of what they represent.

 

[Marooncat79]

His Kingdom was not at that time, but will be at his second coming!

How do you understand Mark 1:15