1689Dave
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Jesus Christ is the name of the triune God.
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Is Christ "completely God, completely flesh"?
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Why would you think I hold views not supported from scripture. The creeds contain errors, our authority for faith and practice is the Bible, not some proclamation by fallible interpreters.
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Yes, The Son (Jesus Christ) is a member of the Trinity. He is the Second Person of the Trinity. The Triune God is the Father, Son, and Spirit. And man can only know God through Jesus (the Second Person of the Trinity) - yet our salvation is a work of all Three Persons of the Godhead..
1689Dave
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Jesus Christ is the trinity speaking through the second person (word) of God.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:9 (NCPB)
“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (NET)
The three Eucmenical Creeds that are universal (that apply to Christianity as a whole) are the Nicene Creed, the Apostle's Creed, and the Anthanaisan Creed. Not all hold them as an authority (obviously Baptists do not) but all affirm their content as orthodox doctrine.
But you did reject my statement that Christ is "completely God, completely man" which is a rejection of an Ecumenical creed (I quoted the creed and you found it as an error).
No. Jesus Christ is the λόγος. the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity.
The Trinity refers to "three" - i.e., the Godhead or the Father, Son, and Spirit. Jesus Christ is not the Trinity but the Second Person of the Trinity. This is affirmed in the Ecumenical creeds you reject.
1689Dave
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Jesus Christ is God. God is the trinity. You are off on this.
The Holy Spirit is God. The Father is God. The Trinity refers to all Three Persons of the Trinity (that is why it is called the "Trinity"). The Son is not the Father and the Spirit (the Son is not a triune person. Neither is the Spirit, and neither is the Father.
What you are presenting sounds a lot like Onness theology. What is your denomination?
1689Dave
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Have you ever studied theology?
Yes. At the undergraduate and graduate level. My undergraduate degree is in Religion and my Master's degree is in theology (MATS). I studied theology and Church history. Graduated with honors both times and after graduate school was invited to work on a post-graduate degree in Christian History under one of my mentors (under the professor that helped with my thesis). I declined (I could not because of other obligations....i.e., work and feeding my family).
You?
1689Dave
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You should know God is indivisible then. So Jesus Christ as God = the trinity. Where he speaks through the second person of the eternal Son. Don't you know this yet?
I know that the Trinity is the Father, Son, and Spirit.
And I know that when Christ spoke He spoke as the Son for the Father by the Spirit..... But NOT as the Triune God.
You have some very confused ideas. The term Trinity speaks of the Persons (separate persons) of the Trinity.
Even your Ecumenical creeds emphasize this.
" For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal."
In divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit, of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided: the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son; all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on him
I agree. The issue is normally not in what is affirmed but in what is denied.
Perhaps that is the reason the orthodox definition is developed from defenses against heresies.
On and on folks, one ad hominem after another.
The creeds contain errors, our authority for faith and practice is the Bible, not some proclamation by fallible interpreters.
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