The Bible wars.

Just wish KJVO would read the preface in the 1611 Kjv, as the translators themselves would have nothing to do with views of Kjvo, neither did their patron saint to them, Dean Burgeon!

 

The variants do not take away from God's truth. What he has wanted to give to us has been given to us. Variants don't change that. I don't know how you think today it's such a big deal when people for a thousand years read Bibles such as the Septuagint and the Vulgate that differ so much more than anything we have today. Why is it suddenly a big deal now and not when people read the Vulgate and the Septuagint. You keep spouting off about how we don't have an errant Bible in the way you want. Why do you demand it today when God hasn't worked that way for thousands of years.

 

Why don't you have an issue with John 1:1? John 1:1 states the same. In John 1:1, the word which is God is with God. In John 1:18 the only begotten is with God. The words "only begotten" tell you.

I guarantee if all manuscripts said God nobody would bat an eye or think twice about this verse. In the same way nobody who does proper exegesis of "I and my Father are one." If you wanted to pretend this verse teaches heresy, then you certainly can. Anyone can take scripture and butcher it to mean something it doesn't and make issues out something that is not an issue. You want to pretend only begotten God is an issue. It's not. If I wanted to pretend "I and my Father are" is an issue, I certainly can and could even make a viable argument for it. But at the end of the day just because a verse can mean something else if you twist does not mean it's wrong.

 

Same Jesus, who is God!

 

We have the Infallible witness to the doctrines of God to us!

 

Regardless of one starts off the TR or the CT ot the Bzt, still end up in English with word of the lord to us now!

 

Has there been any changes in doctrines and theology from the Kjv to the modern translations?

 

Just curious as to what is there in that verse that can be used to support wrong understandings>

 

Yeah. The old testament of let's say the nasb (or any modern Bible kjv included) is so much closer to the Hebrew old testament than the Septuagint ever was, and yet the Septuagint was used by the church for much longer. The new testament of the nasb (or any modern Bible kjv included) is so much closer the Greek new testament than the Vulgate ever was, and yet the Vulgate was used much much longer. For a literal thousand years. Today we are soooooo blessed to have the TR and the UBS. And yet people still find a way to complain. Just be happy that we have a plethora of manuscripts and are closer to the originals than anyone else in history. The textual variants between the UBS and the TR are nothing compared to the textual variants between the Septuagint and the masoretic text, or the Vulgate and whichever Greek text you choose.

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Some people take I and my Father are one to mean that they are same person as in there is no Father and son, as in They are the same person and not distinct. The son is just a manifestation of the father on earth, but is still the father.

So in other words instead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God. The three are all the son, the father, and the spirit at the same time. Basically they are not three and one, just one

 

So that would be used by those supporting Oneness doctrine as relating to the person of God?
I have read how JW and others have used it to man that they are one in purpose, but not one ae in both being God!

 

I am much more concerned with the philosophy behind the translation, as in formal or dynamic, then in which Greek sources used...

 

That is not what I said.... I'm simply saying that just because there are variants, God's truth is not diminished. I still have yet to see you answer why you care about the variants today but not those of the Vulgate or Septuagint. Why do you make it a big deal about it now and not question why God allowed Bibles with tons more variants to be used for good.

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