The Bible wars.

[37818]

I'm puzzled at this. What TR was that? Neither the Scrivener's nor the 1550 Stephanus has the phrase.

Good question. It was sold to me as a TR. Two things I noted, 1 John 5:7 in smaller Greek type and it has 'εις σωτηριαν' in 1 Peter 2:2. I will get back on that. It is on my desk at home.
It stood out in my mind because the first Greek NT I bought, was Nestles GNT, not Aland. It showed that 'εις σωτηριαν' as majorty reading. That stood out in my mind. None of the later GNT I had gotten showed that. Except the F35GNT.

 

[Ziggy]

So far as I know only the Antoniades Greek Orthodox edition of 1904, with correction of small errors in 1912 has ever printed the Johannine Comma in small type within the main text, along with many other words similarly in small type that were noted as not having sufficient support to be considered original. But it is definitely not a "TR" edition, based on the usual definition of such.

 

[37818]

So far as I know only the Antoniades Greek Orthodox edition of 1904, with correction of small errors in 1912 has ever printed the Johannine Comma in small type within the main text, along with many other words similarly in small type that were noted as not having sufficient support to be considered original. But it is definitely not a "TR" edition, based on the usual definition of such.

The whole text is in Greek letters including the chapter divisions.

It hs a title. I am going to transliterate the Greek:
Eh KAINEh
DIAThEhKEh

It has some kind of identification 1957
Again, transliterate:
BIBLIKEh ETAIREIA
ODOS PhILELLEhNOhN 2(a solid Delta)
AThEhNAI

And on the next page in English "Printed in Great Britain"

 

[37818]

The whole text is in Greek letters including the chapter divisions.

It hs a title. I am going to transliterate the Greek:
Eh KAINEh
DIAThEhKEh

It has some kind of identification 1957
Again, transliterate:
BIBLIKEh ETAIREIA
ODOS PhILELLEhNOhN 2(a solid Delta)
AThEhNAI

And on the next page in English "Printed in Great Britain"

On eBay I found a similar item, Same year, about same size, different color and printing on the outside hard cover. Same publisher different printing. Mine is single wide column per page of text.
Antique Pocket Μini Greek New Testament 1957 Great Britain printed collective ed | eBay

 

[Ziggy]

From the photos on the eBay site and the page samples shown, that one is a modern Greek paraphrase (says so on title page) and not a form of the original Koine Greek (and definitely not at all a "TR" edition).

 

[37818]

From the photos on the eBay site and the page samples shown, that one is a modern Greek paraphrase (says so on title page) and not a form of the original Koine Greek (and definitely not at all a "TR" edition).

Thank you.
I came across that eBay book trying to find the publisher. Though that edition is different edition than mine (which I bough because I was told it was a TR), it has the very same publisher and 1957 date as my edition. The title on that page being different than my copy.

The whole reason for this search was the fact that the TR is not known for that reading in 1 Peter 2:2. And my copy has it. I have not checked every reference in it, but of the other references checked it seems to be the same as a TR. Odd.

 

[37818]

That Greek NT sold to me as a TR is a mixture of readings.

 

[Rob_BW]

Without having the autographs, can we honestly judge a text or family of texts on "accuracy?"

 

[37818]

Without having the autographs, can we honestly judge a text or family of texts on "accuracy?"

There are the readings which all the text families share in common. So when it comes to discerning which variants are original or not, who are more qualified, the lost or the redeemed, John 8:47? Texts that are proven consistent between themselves or texts which are inconsstent between themselves in their ascribed family of text?

 

[Rob_BW]

There are the readings which all the text families share in common. So when it comes to discerning which variants are original or not, who are more qualified, the lost or the redeemed, John 8:47? Texts that are proven consistent between themselves or texts which are inconsstent between themselves in their ascribed family of text?

I believe you have presented a false dichotomy, as there are true believers who champion the MT, TR, NA, & etc.

Barring an archeological breakthrough the likes of which we've never seen, or time travel, I don't expect us to be able to honestly say which variant was the original.

 

[37818]

I believe you have presented a false dichotomy, as there are true believers who champion the MT, TR, NA, & etc.

No more so than any other teachings where genuine believes disagree. Where there are more than one teaching on an issue only one can be true, or all of those views can be false. Is not Psalms 119:89, " For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven," not true? Is there not only one true given written words of God? It remains an issue known variants are not all the word of God. And professing Christians who say it does not matter are taking sides with the Enemy.
And this difficulty does not change that, Luke 4:4 has the true words, ". . . It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." 99.5% versus 0.5% of the texts.

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe you have presented a false dichotomy, as there are true believers who champion the MT, TR, NA, & etc.

Barring an archeological breakthrough the likes of which we've never seen, or time travel, I don't expect us to be able to honestly say which variant was the original.

Does it really matter if one chooses to use the Kjv or a modern version?

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe you have presented a false dichotomy, as there are true believers who champion the MT, TR, NA, & etc.

Barring an archeological breakthrough the likes of which we've never seen, or time travel, I don't expect us to be able to honestly say which variant was the original.

Are not the scholars on the various translation teams just as saved and have even better theology in spots then the 1611 team did?

 

[Yeshua1]

No more so than any other teachings where genuine believes disagree. Where there are more than one teaching on an issue only one can be true, or all of those views can be false. Is not Psalms 119:89, " For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven," not true? There not only one true given written words of God? It remains an issue known variants are not all the word of God. And porfessing Christians who say it does not matter are taking sides with the Enemy.
And this difficulty does not change that, Luke 4:4 has the true words, ". . . It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." 99.5% versus 0.5% of the texts.

If God wanted us to have the exactly same text, would have given to us the Originals!

 

[Conan]

Or, we have His Original Text, not in one text but several or even many, many texts.

 

[Yeshua1]

Or, we have His Original Text, not in one text but several or even many, many texts.

i am sure that if we could take out from all of the various Greek texts and variants all of the right words, that would together constitute the originals! problem is that we have no way to discern exactly what that would be!

 

[37818]

If God wanted us to have the exactly same text, would have given to us the Originals!

Where do you think the copies which begain being handed down came from?

 

[Salty]

If God wanted us to have the exactly same text, would have given to us the Originals!

But if we did have them - would too many people worship those pieces of Paper?

Remember, Hezekiah destroyed the Bronze serpent because the Jews started to worship it.

 

[Yeshua1]

But if we did have them - would too many people worship those pieces of Paper?

Remember, Hezekiah destroyed the Bronze serpent because the Jews started to worship it.

I think that is why God chose not to keep them intact, as we would tend to worship them, instead of the eternal Word Lord Jesus Himself!

 

[Yeshua1]

Where do you think the copies which begain being handed down came from?

The originals, but no doubt they ceased to exist early on!