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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Alan Gross, Aug 28, 2020.

  1. Wesley Briggman

    Wesley Briggman Well-Known Member
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    Are you saying that is we did not have a sin nature, we would all have free will, with no accountability for our actions?
     
  2. Barry Johnson

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    See the problem is presuppositions . Its all through the bible that God is pleased when people believe , trust , obey , follow. And He is not pleased when people do not believe, trust , obey , follow . Then along comes Augustine, trying to win a debate against pelagius and decided that faith is a work to push back against his arguments along these lines . Now if faith is a work and we cannot be saved by works . I know said Augustine, " Faith is gifted " so now we have the most ridiculous idea christianity has ever fallen for ,' Regeneration, precedes faith ' . No one in their right mind, who ever read a Bible should have been duped by this . So how has everyone been sold this idea? The T in the system is swallowed first . Now your trapped into the Web.
     
  3. Sai

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    I appreciate your zeal for correcting doctrines and theology. However, the fact that Jesus will not return to earth, there will be no second coming until the Jews ask him to return should focus your attention elsewhere.

    Many, most strict and hyper Calvinists are replacement theologians. John McArther is an example of the accept ion to the rule.

    The nation of Israel should be the focal point of the mature believers today. Because most of what Jews hear about the gospel today is warped and wrong (prosperity/emotion driven etc) it is our goal that we present the Jewish Messiah to our Jewish relationships in the event that during the Time of Jacob’s Trouble aka the Tribulation they may be among those whom the 144k Jewish evangelicals bring into the faith.

    Romans 15:27 is a command.


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  4. 1689Dave

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    The Church is Israel. The unbelieving Jews are gentiles with Jewish customs. How so? Circumcision, not blood always made one Jew. Christ abolished circumcision on the cross.
     
  5. Sai

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    Gobbledygook


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  6. 1689Dave

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    “And the uncircumcised man-child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people: he hath broken my covenant.’” Genesis 17:14 (NCPB)

    Keep in mind. Over 300 of Abraham's slaves were his covenant seed through circumcision when Ishmael was his only blood relative in that community.
     
  7. Revmitchell

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    In scripture "works" is always and only about the OT law. It cannot be applied to any and all actions we want to add. That is not its context nor its intent.
     
  8. Alan Gross

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    " Faith is gifted " so now we have ....idea ....,' Regeneration, precedes faith ' "

    I took out, "the most ridiculous.....christianity has ever fallen for" and made it the way it is, apart from sin-cured reasoning in the flesh.

    The flesh profits nothing, including the inability to substaiate, "" Faith is gifted " so now we have the most ridiculous idea christianity has ever fallen for ,' Regeneration, precedes faith ' .

    "No one in their right mind" has to just mean, "from sin-cured reasoning in the flesh".
     
  9. Yeshua1

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    We would be in the same state as Adam was when created, with the potential to still sin!
     
  10. Alan Gross

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    You're not gaining any points with your twists on God's Word.

    John Calvin is NOT the Author of The Bible.

    John Calvin isn't causing you to miss The Bible, either.


    “Known to God
    are all His Works
    from the Beginning”, or from Eternity,
    (Acts 15:18)

    1.1.8d The ETERNALLY MAGNIFICENT GODHEAD
    DETERMINED FUTURE EVENTS with ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY
    as HIS “ETERNAL PURPOSE”.


    1.6 The Godhead's Eternal Council for Salvation of Men - ! Aware of the Godhead Master Index of Portfolio

    1.1. The Internal ACTS
    of The GODHEAD
    from ETERNITY PAST
    and
    GOD'S Decrees in General.
    ***
    GOD
    “works all things
    after the counsel
    of His own will”

    Ephesians 1:11.

    “According to
    the Good Pleasure of His Will”


    Ephesians 1:5.

    “For who has known
    the Mind of the LORD?
    Or who has been
    His counselor?

    Or who has first given to Him,
    (their 'faith' or anything else that falls short of The Glory of God)
    and it Will be Recompensed
    to him again?” (as salvation)(?)

    Romans 11:34-35.

    “If you be Righteous,
    what do you give Him?
    Or what does He Receive
    from your hand?
    Your wickedness may hurt a man
    as you are;
    and your “righteousness”

    may profit the Son of Man”

    Job 35:7-8.

    But our “wickedness” or presumed “righteousness ( of our own power ) certainly cannot Affect or Profit God, who is All-Blessed in Himself.

    ***

    “When you have done all those things
    which are Commanded
    you, say,
    We are unprofitable servants”

    Luke 17:10

    ***

    — our obedience has Profited nothing.

    ***

     
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  11. Barry Johnson

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    The idea that Faith is a gift is the silly idea .
     
  12. Barry Johnson

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    One verse with no context?
     
  13. Barry Johnson

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    All your doing is showing me proof texts out of context .
    Could you show me a text with some context. like " well this verse here means this ,because the author is writing to such and such who was a such and such and this is about what happened at such a time , and it was after such event which therfore has to mean this " ...just something like this ?
     
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    This is called inductive reasoning . Most of calvinism is based on syologism and inductive reasoning as opposed to the inductive method. Calvinism has some of the worst approaches to hermeneutics possible
     
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    Wood hay and Dave. My friend you will be ashamed for 1000 years


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  16. Alan Gross

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    You're not gaining any points with your twists on God's Word.

    John Calvin is NOT the Author of The Bible.

    John Calvin isn't causing you to miss The Bible, either.

    Your argument is with God, on what you consider silly.
     
  17. Alan Gross

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    “Known to God
    are all His Works
    from the Beginning”,

    or from Eternity,
    (Acts 15:18)
     
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    The whole post had to do with Scriptures, Context, and Links.
     
  19. Barry Johnson

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    What is silly is God demanding things from people that they cannot do because has determined for them not to and then holds them responsible because they ' wanted ' , even though they could want no other way ,because God determined their ' wanter ' . ? makes perfect sense .
     
  20. Alan Gross

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    God is God.

    That which is flesh, is flesh.
     
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