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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Alex2165, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Yep, and those lost sheep are from every nation, tribe and tongue.
     
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    What is the difference between inductive as a method versus as a way of reasoning?

    I have personally always done a topical type of Bible study. That does not mean that is better. It has always worked best for me to understand a teaching.


     
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    There is no passage that says ' chosen for redemption ' . No i make the distinction between ' Not all ISRAEL is Israel . But I take Jesus words literally when he said He came not but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel . His ministry was to Israel .
     
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    Do you have a verse that says ' sheep ' with that ?
     
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    inductive vs. Deductive Method
    The inductive method (usually called the scientific method) is the deductive method "turned upside down". The deductive method starts with a few true statements (axioms) with the goal of proving many true statements (theorems) that logically follow from them. The inductive method starts with many observations of nature, with the goal of finding a few, powerful statements about how nature works (laws and theories).
    In the deductive method, logic is the authority.
    If a statement follows logically from the axioms
    of the system, it must be true. In the scientific
    method, observation of nature is the authority.
    If an idea conflicts with what happens in nature,
    the idea must be changed or abandoned.
     
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    Deductive reasoning: adults are
    generally bigger and stronger than
    children.
    Inductive reasoning: I know one 5th
    grader who is 6’5”, therefore children are taller than most adults .
     
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    I take God literally as well. The lost sheep of Israel come from every nation tribe and tongue.
    You have hemmed yourself in.
     
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    The people whom Jesus prays for, are they his sheep or not?

    John 17:1-26 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify themin the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself,that they also may be sanctifiedin truth. “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”
     
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    Verses ?
     
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    ""I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word"",( This is us ) Those that would believe through THEIR word . Well ultimately through Paul ( to the gentiles )
    We were Dogs , not sheep . Jesus came for sheep. But Israel rejected their messiah ,so lo the message turned to the Gentiles .
     
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    Verses or versus? Some passage of scripture or a comparison of meanings?
     
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    The same verses you use. I simply take God literally when he identifies all children of the promise as Israel.

    I'm sorry you refuse to accept this truth.
     
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    There are Goats in the land, Barry. Not all Israel is Israel. Paul was clear. Jesus tells us he separates the sheep from the goats. We, the children of the promise, are sheep. If this is not so, then Abraham is not a sheep.

    I wonder why you cannot accept this truth, Barry. Why have you rejected what God has made righteous?
     
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    Maybe its because I'm not a sheep and I'm not hearing his voice , baaaaa!!
     
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    I cannot speak for you.
    I can speak for myself. God has chosen me as His sheep. God has given me faith to believe. God has sustained my faith through sorrows and trials. God has given me steadfastness through the trials. I therefore count it all joy. (Read James)
     
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    Joy unspeakable full of glory
     
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