The Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Holy Spirit

[SavedByGrace]

The Pharisees understood his claim to being the God of the Hebrews, as they got him nailed upon the Cross for "claiming to be God"

Because, sadly like many millions, they have been blinded by the "god of this world".

 

[SavedByGrace]

Such as Trinitarians who believe Jesus and the Archangel are the same person because the Son of God is the Angel of the LORD/Yehwah

This is NOT taught anywhere in the entire Bible! See my response in #99

 

[SavedByGrace]

You really do not understand. The Person who is the Man Jesus Christ is also Yehwah too. And is not at issue. God is not a man (Hosea 11:9) and the man is not God (1 Timothy 2:5). Now the Son of God is now both. And this is not at issue. What is at issue is asking to prove something that is true that is not found in the Bible. Such as Trinitarians who believe Jesus and the Archangel are the same person because the Son of God is the Angel of the LORD/Yehwah.

by the way, are you a Jehovah's Witness, or belong to some other sect? You say "Baptist", and yet you argue like a JW!

 

[37818]

Micheal is NEVER identified as being God, but the Angel of the Lord was!

To whom do the angels belong? Revelation 12:7.

 

[37818]

This is NOT taught anywhere in the entire Bible! See my response in #99

Neither are the words quote "Jesus is God" unquote.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Neither are the words quote "Jesus is God" unquote.

2 questions for you on this. 1. do you personally believe that Jesus Christ is God, and that He is uncreated? 2. If not, then can you give just one verse from the entire Bible, that shows Jesus Christ is a created being? Straight answers please.

 

[Yeshua1]

Neither are the words quote "Jesus is God" unquote.

Jesus claimed to be the Good Shepherd, Alpha and Omega, and the Judge and Creator, all claims to being God!

 

[Yeshua1]

This is NOT taught anywhere in the entire Bible! See my response in #99

archangel was a created being, Jesus was not!

 

[Yeshua1]

To whom do the angels belong? Revelation 12:7.

Michael is the head angel, but was not God!

 

[37818]

If Yeshua1 does not mind here, I would like to give my response to this. Firstly, as I have brirfly shown in the link in #85, "the Angel of the LORD", is the Lord Jesus Christ, in His pre-Incarnate Appearances in the Old Testament. Secondly, there is NO Biblical evidence that teaches that Michael, who is the Archangel, is Jesus Christ. Thirdly, As the Bible cleary teaches that God created ALL the heavenly hosts, including angels, are created beings: "Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts...Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created (bârâʼ)" (Psalm 148:2, 5). Fourthly, Jesus Christ is called both in the Old Testament, and New Testament, YAHWEH", The Name which means, "the uncreated, eternal One"; which makes it impossible for Jesus Christ to be a created being, which is what Michael the Archangel is!

So an argument from silence is your proof that the Archangel Michael (Who is like God) is not and cannot be the Angel of the LORD, Revelation 12:7.

 

[37818]

archangel was a created being, Jesus was not!

And your proof Who is like God was created?

 

[Yeshua1]

And your proof Who is like God was created?

Michael dared not rebuke satan, but relied upon his boss jesus for that!

 

[SavedByGrace]

So an argument from silence is your proof that the Archangel Michael (Who is like God) is not and cannot be the Angel of the LORD, Revelation 12:7.

how comes you cannot respond to the 2 questions in #106? is it because you cannot? And, what about #103? are you hiding something?

 

[37818]

Michael dared not rebuke satan, but relied upon his boss jesus for that!

According to Peter, 2 Peter 2:11, ". . . Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. . . ." Why the Angel of the LORD Himself did the same as wwhat was said of Who was like God, Jude 1:9, in Zechariah 3:2!

 

[37818]

how comes you cannot respond to the 2 questions in #106? is it because you cannot? And, what about #103? are you hiding something?

Noted, I have not read them yet.

 

[37818]

by the way, are you a Jehovah's Witness, or belong to some other sect? You say "Baptist", and yet you argue like a JW!

You are really that blind? The Son of God has aways been both with God and was God, being the Word. John 1:1-2. If you had read and understood what I have post in this thread. Our Lord Jesus Christ is not part man part God. But fully now both man and God, not a mixture.

 

[percho]

2 questions for you on this. 1. do you personally believe that Jesus Christ is God, and that He is uncreated? 2. If not, then can you give just one verse from the entire Bible, that shows Jesus Christ is a created being? Straight answers please.

I believe:

And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her begotten out of Spirit is Holy, and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins.' Matt 1:20
ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος ἰδού, ἄγγελος κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβίδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν αριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου· τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου Mτέξεται δὲ υἱὸν καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν· αὐτὸς γὰρ σώσει τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν Matt 1:20,21 TR
'Lo, the virgin shall conceive, and she shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,' which is, being interpreted 'With us The God.' Matt 1:23
Ἰδού, ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν, καὶ καλέσουσιν τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ, ὅ ἐστιν μεθερμηνευόμενον, Μεθ᾽ ἡμῶν ὁ θεός

Ex 3:14 CSB God replied to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.[fn] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.”
Or I AM BECAUSE I AM, or I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE
NASB has this note relative to I AM - Related to the name of God, YHWH, rendered LORD, which is derived from the verb HAYAH, to be

I ask is Ex 3:14 not only a statement but also a prophecy? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. < vi Pres vxx 1 Sg
Relative to God the Father and the Son of God who was speaking with Moses? How do you understand, "The LORD said unto my Lord"? Is this the Father speaking to the Son? Is Jesus also the seed of David?

What is the meaning of, Thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee?

 

[SavedByGrace]

What is the meaning of, Thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee?

This is Prophecy of the First Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, His Incarnation

 

[37818]

This is Prophecy of the First Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, His Incarnation

You seem to be mistaken here. Psalms 2:7 is a prphecy not of Christ's birth and incarnation but of Christ's post incaration resurrection per the word of God itself, Acts of the Apostles 13:33, ". . . he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. . . ." And in that prophecy, it should be noted, He is already the Son prior to being "begotten." It first says, "Thou art my Son."

 

[37818]

2 questions for you on this. 1. do you personally believe that Jesus Christ is God, and that He is uncreated? 2. If not, then can you give just one verse from the entire Bible, that shows Jesus Christ is a created being? Straight answers please.

You do not read carefully what I post do you?
Jesus Christ is both the man and God. As the man not God, John 20:17, ". . . I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." And as that man who is also God omnipresent, John 3:13, ". . . no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. . . ." Jesus as a man said this while He was on earth.