Are There Any Verses That Show Predestination to Hell?

[Steven Yeadon]

Simple question, are there any verses you can point to that say any people are predestined to hell?

Single predestination is clear enough from scripture. At least some, if not all, people who believe are chosen for heaven through predestination. However, to my knowledge there appears not a single verse points to a double destination.

 

[37818]

New Simple question, are there any verses you can point to that say any people are predestined to hell?

No.
But there is a verse in Revelation, like Revelation 17:8 that can be interpreted to teach such, ". . . whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, . . ." Being interpreted to have never been written in the book of life, so there is no name not to be blotted out (Revelation 3:5) to keep the name from never being blotted out. Those whose name is not in the book of life perish in the lake of fire, Revelation 20:15.

 

[Yeshua1]

Simple question, are there any verses you can point to that say any people are predestined to hell?

Single predestination is clear enough from scripture. At least some, if not all, people who believe are chosen for heaven through predestination. However, to my knowledge there appears not a single verse points to a double destination.

all of us are destined for Hell due to the fall of Adam, but God did not directly determine us to get there!

 

[Yeshua1]

Simple question, are there any verses you can point to that say any people are predestined to hell?

Single predestination is clear enough from scripture. At least some, if not all, people who believe are chosen for heaven through predestination. However, to my knowledge there appears not a single verse points to a double destination.

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/Double-Predestination.pdf

 

[JonC]

Simple question, are there any verses you can point to that say any people are predestined to hell?

Single predestination is clear enough from scripture. At least some, if not all, people who believe are chosen for heaven through predestination. However, to my knowledge there appears not a single verse points to a double destination.

Some would take Romans 9:22 as such a verse.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

No.
But there is a verse in Revelation, like Revelation 17:8 that can be interpreted to teach such, ". . . whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, . . ." Being interpreted to have never been written in the book of life, so there is no name not to be blotted out (Revelation 3:5) to keep the name from never being blotted out. Those whose name is not in the book of life perish in the lake of fire, Revelation 20:15.

Thank you for a very honest answer. I find I cannot argue there is limited single predestination. Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, and others. Given the scriptures I know on unlimited atonement and God's desire to save all, though, double predestination is a bridge too far. A 4 point Calvinist is Arminian at heart.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Some would take Romans 9:22 as such a verse.

I haven't because of the broader context of Romans 9-11.

Thank you for an honest answer. I find I cannot argue there is limited single predestination. Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, and others. Given the scriptures I know on unlimited atonement and God's desire to save all, though, double predestination is a bridge too far. A 4 point Calvinist is Arminian at heart.

 

[JonC]

I haven't because of the broader context of Romans 9-11.

Thank you for an honest answer. I find I cannot argue there is limited single predestination. Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, and others. Given the scriptures I know on unlimited atonement and God's desire to save all, though, double predestination is a bridge too far. A 4 point Calvinist is Arminian at heart.

I believe in "double predestination" but for different reasons. I also would not use Romans as a proof text (and I think that was not Paul's point).

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I believe in "double predestination" but for different reasons. I also would not use Romans as a proof text (and I think that was not Paul's point).

Thank you. To be honest, if it wasn't for the scriptures that show God wants all saved, Calvinism is the truth IMO. The problem has been the Holy Spirit always leads me back to Ezekiel and Lamentations and others with deep conviction whenever I begin down the path to being Reformed in my theology. I have almost become reformed around half a dozen times, but my conscience and how I read those scriptures stops me every time.

 

[JonC]

Thank you. To be honest, if it wasn't for the scriptures that show God wants all saved, Calvinism is the truth IMO. The problem has been the Holy Spirit always leads me back to Ezekiel and Lamentations and others with deep conviction whenever I begin down the path to being Reformed in my theology. I have almost become reformed around half a dozen times, but my conscience and how I read those scriptures stops me every time.

I agree with predestination and double predestination while I disagree about Calvinism (I believe it a serious error). I also believe we, being human, will always have a variety of understanding.

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe in "double predestination" but for different reasons. I also would not use Romans as a proof text (and I think that was not Paul's point).

Do you see God directly determine that all sinners go to hell, as he caused that, as directly determine their destiny same way did the saved?

 

[Barry Johnson]

Simple question, are there any verses you can point to that say any people are predestined to hell?

Single predestination is clear enough from scripture. At least some, if not all, people who believe are chosen for heaven through predestination. However, to my knowledge there appears not a single verse points to a double destination.

The bible doesn't say any one is predestined to be saved let alone predestined for hell . Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)

 

[Barry Johnson]

Thank you. To be honest, if it wasn't for the scriptures that show God wants all saved, Calvinism is the truth IMO. The problem has been the Holy Spirit always leads me back to Ezekiel and Lamentations and others with deep conviction whenever I begin down the path to being Reformed in my theology. I have almost become reformed around half a dozen times, but my conscience and how I read those scriptures stops me every time.

Why Ezekiel?

 

[JonC]

Do you see God directly determine that all sinners go to hell, as he caused that, as directly determine their destiny same way did the saved?

Yes.

 

[Barry Johnson]

No.
But there is a verse in Revelation, like Revelation 17:8 that can be interpreted to teach such, ". . . whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, . . ." Being interpreted to have never been written in the book of life, so there is no name not to be blotted out (Revelation 3:5) to keep the name from never being blotted out. Those whose name is not in the book of life perish in the lake of fire, Revelation 20:15.

only if you interpret it to say ' before ' ( instead of from ) the foundation of the world

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Why Ezekiel?

Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Lamentations show God as wanting repentance rather than wrath. Ezekiel 33:11 among others come to mind. These books also show God as a reluctant Tormentor. Lamentations 3:33 come to mind. The character of Yahweh revealed in these books forbids double predestination. Why would God go against His character? The revelation in the New Testament cannot directly contradict the Old Testament. Scripture is scripture.

 

[Reynolds]

Simple question, are there any verses you can point to that say any people are predestined to hell?

Single predestination is clear enough from scripture. At least some, if not all, people who believe are chosen for heaven through predestination. However, to my knowledge there appears not a single verse points to a double destination.

Yes and no. A true Calvinist embraces double predestination. If there are only two options, Heaven and Hell then any verse that supports single predestination to heaven conversely supports double predestination.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes.

So that would make you in the high Calvinism camp!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes and no. A true Calvinist embraces double predestination. If there are only two options, Heaven and Hell then any verse that supports single predestination to heaven conversely supports double predestination.

Not really, as many Calvinists do not argue for God equally determining the destiny of the saved and the lost!

 

[Reynolds]

Not really, as many Calvinists do not argue for God equally determining the destiny of the saved and the lost!

Many watered down Calvinists. True Calvinists whose views align with Calvin and the early followers embrace double.