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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Sep 19, 2020.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Or.....I have formed my own conclusions. I can answer anything you have to offer, If I believe you to be sincere, which evidence is lacking. I offer a group of teachers who agree even though half of them are non cals, and you divert todebate fallacies to escape interacting with the links.
    If you want to call me, I will supply my phone number via pm...just you and I with open bibles and no manipulation.I speak much faster than I type.
     
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    I have not overloaded anyone. I read through each one I posted, you can do the same.
     
    #62 Iconoclast, Sep 22, 2020
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    Then you will easily walk through explaing verse 6 and verse 15 along with the overly used proof text , verse 14 ( of 1 Cor 2 ,) in Context . Including how it does or does not say the same thing essentially in the beginning of Chapter 3 as the whole point of the previous chapter and verses .?
    6¶Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect full grown yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
    7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
    8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
    9¶But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
    11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    12Now we have recieved not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
    13¶Which things also we speak , not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth , but which the Holy Ghost teacheth ; comparing spiritual things with spiritual
    14But the natural( fleshy ) man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    15But he that is spiritual( full-grown) judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
    16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

    1¶And I, brethren, could not unto you as unto spiritual / full grown / mature , but as unto carnal,( fleshy ) even as unto babes in Christ.
    2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able .
    3For ye are yet carnal( fleshy , not full grown ) : for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal,( fleshy ) and walk as men?( fleshy )
    4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?( fleshy )
     
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    Yes, I will easily walk through it...on the phone,live and uncensored.I will go line by line over your post, I will go line by line over the offered link...time for you to step up...
     
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    crickets.....???
     
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    "As in" Means like Adam not that we were in Adam. We've never been in Adam.
    MB
     
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    you have zero understanding of romans 3, and romans 5 to post what you just did.if you read the links you will see why.
     
    #67 Iconoclast, Sep 23, 2020
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    Does God want anyone to sin today? <---Lets see who is really clueless.
     
    #68 utilyan, Sep 23, 2020
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    Here is one of the referenced verses:
    1Corinthians 2:12​

    Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, ​

    As you can see, this refers to AFTER we have been chosen and placed into Christ spiritually, AFTER we have been indwelt, and not before.

    Thus to use this verse to indicate the lost cannot understand spiritual milk is ludicrous.
     
    #69 Van, Sep 23, 2020
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    Does God stop sin from occurring today? God knows the answer for each sin, but in general the answer is...no. God has ordained that human rebellion can take place.

    Your question is loaded and poorly stated. God is not pleased with human rebellion, therefore it is accurate to say that it is not God's desire that sin should take place. It is God's desire that every person, in history, that He has given to Jesus will in fact be Redeemed. (John 6, John 10, John 17) Therefore, in order that all his sheep be redeemed, God has ordained the continuation of rebellion (sin) until the time that all the elect are redeemed. (2 Peter 3)

    Since you utterly reject these truths, outlined in scripture, I expect you to object and look for loopholes.
     
    #70 AustinC, Sep 23, 2020
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    If you ask me I'd say Your philosophy will bite you on the back side one day.
    MB
     
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    These are no scriptural truths here because, you've mixed your philosophy in to your post.
    MB
     
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    I will not be asking you anytime soon.
    Anyone who does not grasp Romans 5 cannot really grasp the gospel.
    Even non cals on bb know Adam was the federal head of mankind
     
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    So, John 6, John 10, John 17 and 2 Peter 3 don't represent scriptural truth in your world. Got it.
     
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    "Does God stop sin from occurring today?"
    Not what I asked. Have someone with reading comprehension read this for you. I didn't ask for emotional babbling.

    Does God want anyone to sin today?

    Christians know this. The CLUELESS do not.

    To squeeze a yes or no out of Calvinist.
     
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    utilyan, your question was loaded and quite frankly, worthless. I actually answered in more detail than you probably wished. Therefore, I am satisfied, regardless of your reaction.
     
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    You are darn right its loaded. LOADED WITH COMMON SENSE.

    If your child asks Does God want me to sin today? How do you answer that? YES PLEASE, sin all you want.

    The answer is common sense. Any child can answer it. Those who want a license to sin hate the question. That way they can continue with their evil and still feel "elect". They can continue to rape,steal, murder others excusably.
     
    #77 utilyan, Sep 23, 2020
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    LOL

    I fully answered and you rejected. I provided biblical reference and you ignore it. The reader can make their own decisions.
     
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    "the reader can make their own decisions"
    If they could they would have free will.

    If a complete stranger, a woman walked up to both of us and said "I think God wants me to get an abortion".

    I would say "NO, God does not want you to get an abortion." Its pretty obvious from the command God gives.

    YOU on the other hand would answer what? "You can make your own decisions."?
     
    #79 utilyan, Sep 23, 2020
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    LOL, you don't even grasp free will as it relates to salvation. Shake my head. I leave you in the capable hands of God to guide you as you read His word.
     
    #80 AustinC, Sep 23, 2020
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