Calvinism and Context ?

[Barry Johnson]

and who are they who can believe, those with "ears given to hear?"

Faith comes by earing.

 

[Yeshua1]

Faith comes by earing.

IF one has been given that gift!

 

[Barry Johnson]

I have no idea what you mean by the U and L.
Let's look at what God's word says.
Does God say he makes spiritually dead people alive with Christ?
Does God say that we are saved by grace?
Does God say that faith comes before being made alive?

Barry, you are demanding that spiritually dead person's must have faith that God will then recognize and therefore choose to grant them gracious salvation. That is your position. It is not supported by scripture.

No , you have swallowed the Augustine version of spiritual deadness . There's no verse that says the extent calvinism puts on spiritual deadness. You group a bunch of proof texts together to say that's what it means .

 

[Barry Johnson]

IF one has been given that gift!

Thats the paradigm.

 

[Barry Johnson]

IF one has been given that gift!

The Gift is obviously salvation . Only someone with a paradigm could possibly read Eph 2,8.9 and come away with ' Faith ' as the gift .

 

[AustinC]

No , you have swallowed the Augustine version of spiritual deadness . There's no verse that says the extent calvinism puts on spiritual deadness. You group a bunch of proof texts together to say that's what it means .

LOL, I have never read Augustine, except for a couple quotes, nor Calvin. You are desperate to avoid the Bible and it is apparent to all readers.
Since you refuse to address scripture, our conversation can go no further. I wash my sandals.

 

[Barry Johnson]

LOL, I have never read Augustine, except for a couple quotes, nor Calvin. You are desperate to avoid the Bible and it is apparent to all readers.
Since you refuse to address scripture, our conversation can go no further. I wash my sandals.

And most jehovah witnesses have never read Charles taze Russell ,but still have picked up the teachings.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Gift is obviously salvation . Only someone with a paradigm could possibly read Eph 2,8.9 and come away with ' Faith ' as the gift .

The salvation would be the entire program, which includes saving faith!

 

[Yeshua1]

And most jehovah witnesses have never read Charles taze Russell ,but still have picked up the teachings.

Would you agree with Paul that none seek after God on their own?

 

[Barry Johnson]

The salvation would be the entire program, which includes saving faith!

No it means ' through ' faith . The Calvinist has been fooled into ' faith ' being a work and that it has to be ' gifted ' .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Would you agree with Paul that none seek after God on their own?

Apart from God’s gracious initiative in bringing His Son, the Holy Spirit, and the inspired gospel appeal, no one can merit salvation or consistently seek to obey God in a way that will attain his own righteousness.

 

[Salty]

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[Yeshua1]

Apart from God’s gracious initiative in bringing His Son, the Holy Spirit, and the inspired gospel appeal, no one can merit salvation or consistently seek to obey God in a way that will attain his own righteousness.

Does God will that all come to Jesus to get saved?

 

[Yeshua1]

No it means ' through ' faith . The Calvinist has been fooled into ' faith ' being a work and that it has to be ' gifted ' .

Not a work, but has to be gifted!

 

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