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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Sep 13, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

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    Faith comes by earing.
     
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    IF one has been given that gift!
     
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    No , you have swallowed the Augustine version of spiritual deadness . There's no verse that says the extent calvinism puts on spiritual deadness. You group a bunch of proof texts together to say that's what it means .
     
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    Thats the paradigm.
     
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    The Gift is obviously salvation . Only someone with a paradigm could possibly read Eph 2,8.9 and come away with ' Faith ' as the gift .
     
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    LOL, I have never read Augustine, except for a couple quotes, nor Calvin. You are desperate to avoid the Bible and it is apparent to all readers.
    Since you refuse to address scripture, our conversation can go no further. I wash my sandals.
     
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    And most jehovah witnesses have never read Charles taze Russell ,but still have picked up the teachings.
     
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    The salvation would be the entire program, which includes saving faith!
     
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    Would you agree with Paul that none seek after God on their own?
     
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    No it means ' through ' faith . The Calvinist has been fooled into ' faith ' being a work and that it has to be ' gifted ' .
     
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    Apart from God’s gracious initiative in bringing His Son, the Holy Spirit, and the inspired gospel appeal, no one can merit salvation or consistently seek to obey God in a way that will attain his own righteousness.
     
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    Does God will that all come to Jesus to get saved?
     
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    Not a work, but has to be gifted!
     
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