atpollard
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The part that ends with "and their whole household".
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What Is Reformed Theology?
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37818
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So you believe infants which belived on the Lord Jesus Christ are to be baptised.The part that ends with "and their whole household".
atpollard
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Actually, Yes. If an infant made a profession of faith to you, would YOU refuse to baptize them because they were too young? What scripture lists the "minimum age" for the Holy Spirit to make someone 'born from above'?.
I am a CREDOBAPTIST, so I baptize anyone that makes a believable confession of faith ... as in "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." - [Romans 10:9-10 NIV]
However, just because I disagree with my PAEDOBAPTIST brothers in the Presbyterian Church, does not require me to be ignorant of what they believe and why they believe it. So you asked a paedobaptist (family baptism) question and I answered it as a paedobaptist would.
Let me ask you a question. What do you think THIS VERSE means?
[1Corinthians 7:12-16 NKJV]
12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save [your] husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
Who else would do the saving?
37818
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That he and his household are to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as the text says. . . . συ και ο οικος σου.
37818
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No one else can.
Dave G
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With respect, I'm not looking at that right now.
My question to you, in all sincerity, is "What does John 6:28-68 tell you"?
In the beginning of the message of John 6, I clearly see that many people were "drawn" to Him, and they followed after Him over the sea in boats.
They came looking for Him because He filled their bellies with food and they wanted to make Him a king...
Not because they were looking for their Messiah in the spiritual sense.
He then tells them some very pointed things about Himself, and about why they do not believe on Him.
Notice how Peter and the apostles stick around after He tells the crowd about him being the bread of life, and about eating His flesh and drinking His blood...
But the rest go away.
That's when the passage clearly tells us why they went away:
They did not believe.
Why did they not believe?
Because it must be given to someone by the Father to come to Christ in belief.
Do you not see that when you read the details, my friend?
I'm sorry, sir, but to me, you are dismissing the significance of what I've just described.
It's as if you're completely ignoring the entire passage and running over to John 12:32 for an explanation of it, when the words on the page already explain why some believe and why others do not.
Honestly, I'm confounded as to how you're missing it.
However, in the end, all I can do is to present the Scriptures, sir.
I'm sorry if you do not agree.
May God bless you richly as you study His word deeply.
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Dave G
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1 Corinthians 1:18
1 Corinthians 1:23-24.
MB,
No one desires to be saved that loves their sin and hates God.
If you believe that, then head down to the local pub and start preaching Christ crucified, and tell me what results you get...
I guarantee there wouldn't be many interested;
In fact, if you get one I'd be very surprised.
The only ones who desire to be saved are the ones whom God has shown them the truth of their sin, His holiness and judgment, and the truth of Hell and Jesus Christ crucified through the preached word.
Apart from the Holy Spirit convicting someone of their need of a Saviour,
there would be no one interested in repentance for their offenses towards God, and no one interested in believing on Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of those sins.
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Alan Gross
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I have the "and his household" down*, as
ANOTHER GOSPEL ( invented __1600’s A.D. )
The ETERNALLY FATAL MISTAKES
of ‘Protestant Reformers/ Covenant Theology’:
HAVE N
THER “gods” BEFORE ME:“to thy seed” is Not Salvation.
Aware of The Godhead
Intro, Bapt. Covenant Theology
At 15:30, in this audio, Brian Borgman
equates ‘Circumcision’ with ‘Baptism’,
as being equal, FOR SOME REASON.
And, then, he says, “Baptism is better”….
…
Which is it?
ANSWER: For “Salvation” = NEITHER.
…
It does not matter how psychologically convoluted,
or sentimental an individual may be,
nor just how strongly they or their wife FEELS
about wanting their children Saved from Hell.
JESUS is The SAVIOR.
No Promise, in a “Covenant” is Given, by GOD,
to “SAVE THY SEED”,
IF THEY ARE CIRCUMCISED or BAPTISED.
…
This is a Fundamentally Eternal Mistake of
‘Protestant Reformers’/
and proponents of ‘Covenant Theology’.
They wish, apart from God and The Bible,
to ‘associate’ a ‘Promise’,
or ‘Covenant’ Made by God
and the Works by individuals,
when they are Circumcised, or Baptised.
...
*'down', meaning: in the blogs regarding what I believe God would have us to understand, on various portions of The Whole Counsil of God.
All are saved based upon the Grace of the Lord, due to his good pleasure, and see the Lord able to save even infants regardless if parents are saved or if were batized!I have the "and his household" down*, as
ANOTHER GOSPEL ( invented __1600’s A.D. )
The ETERNALLY FATAL MISTAKES
of ‘Protestant Reformers/ Covenant Theology’:
HAVE N
“to thy seed” is Not Salvation.
Aware of The Godhead
Intro, Bapt. Covenant Theology
At 15:30, in this audio, Brian Borgman
equates ‘Circumcision’ with ‘Baptism’,
as being equal, FOR SOME REASON.
And, then, he says, “Baptism is better”….
…
Which is it?
ANSWER: For “Salvation” = NEITHER.
…
It does not matter how psychologically convoluted,
or sentimental an individual may be,
nor just how strongly they or their wife FEELS
about wanting their children Saved from Hell.
JESUS is The SAVIOR.
No Promise, in a “Covenant” is Given, by GOD,
to “SAVE THY SEED”,
IF THEY ARE CIRCUMCISED or BAPTISED.
…
This is a Fundamentally Eternal Mistake of
‘Protestant Reformers’/
and proponents of ‘Covenant Theology’.
They wish, apart from God and The Bible,
to ‘associate’ a ‘Promise’,
or ‘Covenant’ Made by God
and the Works by individuals,
when they are Circumcised, or Baptised.
...
*'down', meaning: in the blogs regarding what I believe God would have us to understand, on various portions of The Whole Counsil of God.
Does God save Infants then? As they cannot believe?
37818
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Well consider Mark 10:14-15, Matthew 18:3 and how Nicodemus responded to Jesus' instruction as to the need to be born over, John 3:4.
He asked you to explain each of these passages;
MB,
Laying what is commonly called "Reformed Theology" aside,
I would appreciate you explaining how believing what Exodus 33:19, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, Psalms 58, Psalms 65:4, Isaiah 53, Matthew 7, Matthew 13, John 3:3-21, John 6, John 8:43-47, John 10:26-30, John 17:2, Acts of the Apostles 2:47, Acts of the Apostles 13:48, Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, Romans 4, Romans 5, Romans 8:28-33, Romans 9, Romans 10:20, Romans 11:1-8, Ephesians 1, Ephesians 2, Colossians 2:13-14, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 and many others say, is "philosophy".
Then why can't you post those reasons from scripture?
MB
No one can prove Calvinism is true and you certainly haven't proved it's true with this post. If you could prove it you would show scripture that proves it existence. When you do show scripture they indicate something other than what you are talking about.
MB
Alan Gross
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Why are you changing my post?
MB
Alan Gross
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I answered your post:
"...Jesus answered and said, I thank thee,
O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes." Matthew 11:25
is the answer to,
"No one can prove Calvinism is true and you certainly haven't proved it's true with this post. If you could prove it you would show scripture that proves it existence. When you do show scripture they indicate something other than what you are talking about.
MB"
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