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1st Corinthians 15 Universal atonement

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AustinC

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MB said:
The Bible has nothing to do with Calvinism. The Bible is truth ,Calvinism is false doctrine.
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You just proved my point. You refuse to read scripture and accept what it says. Instead, you call all scripture that we share, "Calvinism", and thus you justify your rejection of scripture.
 
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Quantrill said:
I have not presented any contradictions. You have done nothing but regurgitate your straw man arguments you use against those who are against Calvinism. You and others are just playing with a pinianta. Though I am not a 5 point Calvinist, I lean more to their doctrine than others. The parts I believe are the parts that Scripture supports. Limited atonement is not one of them.

Was Adam's sin universally given to his race? Why didn't God just distribute it to the non-elect? Limited sin would have been much easier to deal with then limited atonement.

I have shown that limited atonement negates federal headship. So, who is the lucky one whom Christ died for?

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Does God tell us why the curse of sin fell upon all humanity?

Does God say that the reconciliation of the curse has fallen upon all humanity?

Quantrill, if sacrificial atonement by the shed blood of Christ pays for that person's sin, in whole not in part, then how can God send a person, whose sins are removed, to hell? Is that the attribute of a just God?
 
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something very hard for most Reformed to grasp! Just because a doctor may have a cure for all sicknesses, does not mean that all will be automatically cured. It is up to the sick to see this cure foe their lives. Likewise, Jesus has shed His blood once and for all for the sins of all humans, it is ONLY when the sinner turns in true repentance, and seeks forgiveness in the blood of Jesus, can they get saved. So simple, yet confused by mans "theology"!
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Fallen natures does not allow for them to "come to Christ" by their own !
 
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Yeshua1

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SavedByGrace said:
wrong, the sinner is saved AFTER the repent of their sins and accept Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour. What is "potential" on the Cross, for the human race, becomes "actual" when the sinner repents and believes. Simple!
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Except that unless God intervened Himself, no lost sinner will ever decide to get saved by Jesus!
 
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Yeshua1

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Quantrill said:
I do not teach universal salvation. I have been clear there. The atonement is universal because it is God Who used Federal Headship as the means to save the elect. Just because the atonement is universal doesn't mean all are saved.

Why do you agree all fell in Adam? That is 'universalism'? Why do you believe the 'universalism' of sin and not the universalism of Christ's atonement?

No, the Bible says all mankind are represented in Christ as the Last Adam. Else He wouldn't be the Last Adam. In the First Adam, all fell. In the Last Adam all are redeemed. But you have to be in the Last Adam. Entry into the First Adam is physical birth. Entry into the Last Adam is faith. (Rom. 5:2)

See (Rom. 5:12-21). How many men are involved?

How many times do you want me to say it. Yes, all sins have been paid in Jesus Christ. Just because all sins are paid in Christ, doesn't place all in Christ. Faith moves one from Adam to Christ. From the race of the First Adam to the race of the Last Adam.

The question is, who are you in? Adam or Christ?

The 'all' is for all in Adam. Else there is no 'Last Adam'. I have already told you this.

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Jesus is the Second Adam!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
So sinners in Hell all are no longer guilty of their sins?
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Eph 2
14¶For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

2 cor 5 19
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them ; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

" behold the lamb of God who does what ?
 
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SavedByGrace

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Yeshua1 said:
Fallen natures does not allow for them to "come to Christ" by their own !
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Did I say they did? Read John 16:7-11

"7 However, I’m telling you the truth. It’s for your advantage that I’m going away, because if I don’t go away, the Helper won’t come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment— 9 of sin, because they don’t believe in me; 10 of righteousness, because I’m going to the Father and you will no longer see me; 11 and of judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged"

Convict, "ἐλέγχω", = "expose, bring convincing proof, to find fault with"
 
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Barry Johnson said:
People go to hell because the only way to avoid hell is glorification. Only those regenerated will be glorified. The Atonement doesn't regenerate anyone . God regenerates a person after he believes. Because this pleases God .
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God does that in order to get the person saved! Regenerates unto salvation...
 
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