What Is Reformed Theology?

[atpollard]

It's just bits and peaces mix with philosophy. IOW'S it's a dud.

With such a well thought out and clearly articulated argument, how could anyone fail to be persuaded just because you have not bothered to provide even a single verse of scripture to support your empty opinions?

The only appropriate response is “Is not. You are.”

 

[AustinC]

I'm content with what the bible actually ' says ' .

Which isn't what you say.

 

[MB]

I claim nothing except a difference between “interpretation” and “scripture” ... something both You and Barry appear to struggle to comprehend when you claim that people who disagree with your INTERPRETATION have “twisted” or “denied” or “rejected” SCRIPTURE.

What you don't get is that I do not interpret scripture. The KJV is already interpreted from the original languages. I just read it. I do not try to tell what scripture is saying I just accept what scripture is saying. It speakes to me I do not speak to it or analize it. This is your problem You look at scripture and say to your self what is it sayng. Don't you think God can dictate scripture so that man can understand it? With out placing it through interpretation. It's your interpretation that is Guiding you. I let scripture Guide me. You have allowed the preachers of Calvinism to convinced you of what they believe and not of what scripture actually says.
MB

 

[Barry Johnson]

Which isn't what you say.

Reformed theology being the most far off within christianity, puts you at an extreme disadvantage in any bible discussion . Which is why most calvinists debates fail against even the cults . Some examples are Jeff durbin and James White v Mormons ( on you tube )

 

[MB]

This has already been shown false several times, so there is no need to repeat the defense. However you are the one making the claim that NOTHING in Calvinism is biblical, so the responsibility falls on you to prove that EVERYTHING in Calvinism is found nowhere in the Bible. For example, Calvinism claims that all men are dead in their sins until God makes them alive, so it falls to you to prove that the Bible does not say “And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),”. - [Eph 2:1-5 NASB]

Good luck with that.

IN your dreams. I have proved Calvinism is not scriptural. You just can't accept it.
MB

 

[MB]

With such a well thought out and clearly articulated argument, how could anyone fail to be persuaded just because you have not bothered to provide even a single verse of scripture to support your empty opinions?

The only appropriate response is “Is not. You are.”

What scripture would you like me to post?
There is nothing in scripture about Calvinism. The tulip is not in scripture.
There is no total depravity
There is no unconditional election
There is no limited atonement
There is no irresistible grace.
There is no perseverance of the saints.
I've tried to get Calvinist to prove these things exist and not one has ever done that. Oh they show scripture and then ad there interpretation. There interpretation is what they believe. It's not what scripture says

I have presented Jn 3:16 and they try to tell me that world means the elect. It does not.When a Calvinist presents scripture to prove what they are saying it always fails because when it's read in context we see it does not support what they claim it does. Man is saved when he believes in the gospel Acts 16:31 says so and I believe it. I do not ever see anyone saved with out believing first no where in scripture. Prove me wrong if you can.
No where in scripture does it ever say God elected any Gentile. Your doctrine is false even though you refuse to see it.
MB

 

[Iconoclast]

Reformed theology being the most far off within christianity, puts you at an extreme disadvantage in any bible discussion . Which is why most calvinists debates fail against even the cults . Some examples are Jeff durbin and James White v Mormons ( on you tube )

What a foolish post, but that is all you can do.

 

[Iconoclast]

IN your dreams. I have proved Calvinism is not scriptural. You just can't accept it.
MB

No one thinks you have proven anything, where are you getting such an idea?

 

[AustinC]

Reformed theology being the most far off within christianity, puts you at an extreme disadvantage in any bible discussion . Which is why most calvinists debates fail against even the cults . Some examples are Jeff durbin and James White v Mormons ( on you tube )

Well, you are clueless about reformed theology and you show us you struggle with grasping God's word. Keep living with your prejudice and ignorance, Barry.

 

[Barry Johnson]

What a foolish post, but that is all you can do.

Watch the debate and see for yourself.

 

[MB]

No one thinks you have proven anything, where are you getting such an idea?

The simple fact that none of your doctrines are found in scripture.Calvinism is not provable.It's merely a fairy tale.
MB

 

[37818]

What scripture would you like me to post?
There is nothing in scripture about Calvinism. The tulip is not in scripture.
There is no total depravity
There is no unconditional election
There is no limited atonement
There is no irresistible grace.
There is no perseverance of the saints.

Starting with "There is no perseverance of the saints." First, what do you think that means?

 

[The Archangel]

I'm content with what the bible actually ' says ' .

This is a cop-out that misses one central point of biblical theology, biblical interpretation, etc. It isn't so much "what it says" that matters, but "what does what it says mean" matters greatly.

In Nehemiah 8 we have the Levites helping the people to understand the Law that was being read to them. Notice that v. 8 shows that the reading from the book was not sufficient; the leaders explained the text to the people ("gave the sense") so that they would understand what was being read.

So, it isn't quite as simple as "what the bible actually says."

What is more, to look at this verse or that verse, or even this passage or that passage, while ignoring the over-arching themes of biblical theology (Creation-Fall-Redemption-Glorification) is to ignore the meaning of the entirety of the Bible. So singling out verses and demanding a verse for this concept or that concept is really a quite superficial way to go about the things of Scripture.

The Archangel

 

[MB]

Starting with "There is no perseverance of the saints." First, what do you think that means?

It means you have to work to keep your Salvation. Persevere.
If no one can pluck us out of His hand why worry about it. Eternal Salvation is permanent.
MB

 

[AustinC]

It means you have to work to keep your Salvation. Persevere.
If no one can pluck us out of His hand why worry about it. Eternal Salvation is permanent.
MB

Again, you show your ignorance.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Hopefully you can understand what Paul wrote and how it applies to the life of the child of God.

 

[MB]

This is a cop-out that misses one central point of biblical theology, biblical interpretation, etc. It isn't so much "what it says" that matters, but "what does what it says mean" matters greatly.

What can we exspect from a Calvinist?

In Nehemiah 8 we have the Levites helping the people to understand the Law that was being read to them. Notice that v. 8 shows that the reading from the book was not sufficient; the leaders explained the text to the people ("gave the sense") so that they would understand what was being read.

They didn't understand because they were illiterate.
What you mean is there ignorance of God was so incredible they could not understand. But no you"ll sit there and try to tells us that God didn't make it plain enough.

So, it isn't quite as simple as "what the bible actually says."

In your dreams. Most people did understand.

What is more, to look at this verse or that verse, or even this passage or that passage, while ignoring the over-arching themes of biblical theology (Creation-Fall-Redemption-Glorification) is to ignore the meaning of the entirety of the Bible. So singling out verses and demanding a verse for this concept or that concept is really a quite superficial way to go about the things of Scripture.
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You sure you aren't catholic because this is the supposed reason the priest didn't want the people to read the Bible. They needed higher up's to explain it to them. LOL People on this board can read and write.


The reason they didn't understand is because they were so illiterate they didn't know what the word "law" meant. LOL
MB

 

[MB]

Again, you show your ignorance.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Hopefully you can understand what Paul wrote and how it applies to the life of the child of God.

I do not agree with the Alexandrian text. It's a Jehovah's Witness Bible.
MB

 

[MB]

You make no sense.

May it's your Calvinist upbringing.
MB

 

[atpollard]

What you don't get is that I do not interpret scripture. The KJV is already interpreted from the original languages. I just read it. I do not try to tell what scripture is saying I just accept what scripture is saying. It speakes to me I do not speak to it or analize it.

Let’s test that Hypothesis:

[Rom 3:10-12 KJV] 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

How many are righteous?
How many understand?
Who seeks after God?
Who does good?

What does scripture say without any “interpretation”?
(Let the backpedaling contradictions begin.)

 

[atpollard]

IN your dreams. I have proved Calvinism is not scriptural. You just can't accept it.

So THAT is your proof that the Bible does not say that we are dead in sin like Calvinism claims? That is your proof that Ephesians 2 doesn’t exist?

No wonder I can’t accept your “evidence” as proof.