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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Oct 14, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Not just Dispy view, as Reformed/calvinist Baptists see the Church Age at Pentecost being established!
     
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    There are different bodies. The church is bride of the Son. Israel is the Father's wife. Then there will also be virgins and concubines and queens and best men at the marriage of the Son. Not all who are saved across the ages are part of the same body. The church is all those saved from the cross to the rapture. Those saved in the tribulation form a different set.
     
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    Jesus inspired the OT and NT writers by the Holy Spirit, as peter claimed!
    no such given to anyone else!
     
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    this does not refer to the 22 (24) books that the OT has. How about the NT 27 Books?
     
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    John 8:58
    Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

    Exodus 3:14
    God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
     
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    explain
     
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    What gospel?
    1. Of entering the land?
    2. Of Abraham getting a seed?
    3. Of the kingdom?
    4. Of the grace of God?
    5. The everlasting gospel?

    There's more than one gospel in the scriptures. rightly dividing the word of truth.
     
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    That didn't say he is God. (I agree he's God and you can derive it from his words, but he didn't say that)

    Also, it's I AM THAT I AM not "I am who I am".
    God is not a punk rocking teenager self identifying as anything.
     
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    What "Church Age?"

    Pentecost simply signed to the world that Jesus is truly Messiah and Adonai Himself, in the flesh, who died so that those who believe might live.
     
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    LOL, you set obstacles before yourself and then struggle to get around them.
     
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    The death of Jesus was sufficient in grace to have saved all lost sinners, but it was intended to be applied towards those chosen to be saved in Christ!
     
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    No, as it was the day when the Church was formally established here upon the earth !
     
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    yes, as they see God election based upon either Foreknowledge, or else that the plan itself was elected!
     
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    So they were first chosen outside of Christ. Hellish blasphemy.
     
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    God cannot predestined his own unto salvation in Christ then?
     
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    On what basis? It certainly wasn't on the basis of Christ. We went through that in a thread.

    Let alone the fact that predestination is never unto salvation in the Bible.
     
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    Predestination and election are just for the saved!
     
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    lol. I agree!
     
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    This is an assertion. Yet Jesus speaks of the church when he addresses Peter in Matthew 16:18.
    The greek word, translated as "church" in English, means community. The community of believers has been from Adam and Eve, going forward.
    Pentacost certainly signaled to the Jews that Jesus is Messiah, however, I contend the philosophy of a "church age" is a modern designation that is foreign to the Bible.
     
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    The Church is in the Book of Hebrews listed as under the Church of the Firstborn!
     
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