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Whats wrong with Calvinists ?

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Yeshua1

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AustinC said:
This makes no sense.
God has always saved both Jew and Gentile (as a body) from Adam and Eve onward to the day of the Lord.
What I don't see in scripture is a "Church Age" as you have suggested. I wonder where that is suggested in the Bible as it seems to be a dispensational philosophy.
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Not just Dispy view, as Reformed/calvinist Baptists see the Church Age at Pentecost being established!
 
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AustinC said:
This makes no sense.
God has always saved both Jew and Gentile (as a body) from Adam and Eve onward to the day of the Lord.
What I don't see in scripture is a "Church Age" as you have suggested. I wonder where that is suggested in the Bible as it seems to be a dispensational philosophy.
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There are different bodies. The church is bride of the Son. Israel is the Father's wife. Then there will also be virgins and concubines and queens and best men at the marriage of the Son. Not all who are saved across the ages are part of the same body. The church is all those saved from the cross to the rapture. Those saved in the tribulation form a different set.
 
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George Antonios said:
Sure.

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Christ establishes the 3 divisions of the Hebrew Bible as canon and the Apocrypha isn't in either of those 3.
As for the 66 books, they are all quoted in the New Testament except Esther and Obadiah I think, don't quote me exactly but that's what I recall from my own study a while back. Then again, most of those books were joined together, so Obadiah for example was part of the book of prophets, so it's confirmed that way.
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this does not refer to the 22 (24) books that the OT has. How about the NT 27 Books?
 
George Antonios

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AustinC said:
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
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That didn't say he is God. (I agree he's God and you can derive it from his words, but he didn't say that)

Also, it's I AM THAT I AM not "I am who I am".
God is not a punk rocking teenager self identifying as anything.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Not just Dispy view, as Reformed/calvinist Baptists see the Church Age at Pentecost being established!
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What "Church Age?"

Pentecost simply signed to the world that Jesus is truly Messiah and Adonai Himself, in the flesh, who died so that those who believe might live.
 
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George Antonios said:
That didn't say he is God. (I agree he's God and you can derive it from his words, but he didn't say that)

Also, it's I AM THAT I AM not "I am who I am".
God is not a punk rocking teenager self identifying as anything.
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LOL, you set obstacles before yourself and then struggle to get around them.
 
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Barry Johnson said:
This statement alone is the root of the problem. This is the confusion. No this is false. The Atonement is not limited . But glorification is .
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The death of Jesus was sufficient in grace to have saved all lost sinners, but it was intended to be applied towards those chosen to be saved in Christ!
 
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AustinC said:
What "Church Age?"

Pentecost simply signed to the world that Jesus is truly Messiah and Adonai Himself, in the flesh, who died so that those who believe might live.
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No, as it was the day when the Church was formally established here upon the earth !
 
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Yeshua1 said:
No, as it was the day when the Church was formally established here upon the earth !
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This is an assertion. Yet Jesus speaks of the church when he addresses Peter in Matthew 16:18.
The greek word, translated as "church" in English, means community. The community of believers has been from Adam and Eve, going forward.
Pentacost certainly signaled to the Jews that Jesus is Messiah, however, I contend the philosophy of a "church age" is a modern designation that is foreign to the Bible.
 
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AustinC said:
This is an assertion. Yet Jesus speaks of the church when he addresses Peter in Matthew 16:18.
The greek word, translated as "church" in English, means community. The community of believers has been from Adam and Eve, going forward.
Pentacost certainly signaled to the Jews that Jesus is Messiah, however, I contend the philosophy of a "church age" is a modern designation that is foreign to the Bible.
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The Church is in the Book of Hebrews listed as under the Church of the Firstborn!
 
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