Barry Johnson
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This man needed help on Isaiah. What's your point?
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The dreaded doctrine of election and perseverance.
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Barry Johnson
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We have the words ' elect ' Chosen , predestined , called ect . Isn't it better to take each word in context ?Doctrine is formed by those the Churches consider have a teaching gift.
To deny doctrine is to put yourself above those God has chosen to lead his people.
Barry Johnson
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Notice it says " how can I " ?Consider this Scripture:
'Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet.
"Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked.
How can I," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?"
So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.'
Acts 8:30 (NIV)
But the Scriptures themselves say such things as:I place the scriptures higher than doctrines formed by men .
"He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
2 Peter 3:16 (NIV)
Barry Johnson
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What your telling me is that we need to give over our sense making to men ? Peter is not telling us we cannot understand the bible without a man to tell us. He's saying people distort scriptures.But the Scriptures themselves say such things as:
"He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
2 Peter 3:16 (NIV)
This man needed help on Isaiah. What's your point?
There is a principle Scripture teaches.This man needed help on Isaiah. What's your point?
Scripture teaches that God has given us people with Teaching gifts.
You are free to ignore them, of course, but you risk being misled by ignoring Scriptural teaching of the gifts God has ordained
I never said any such thingWhat your telling me is that we need to give over our sense making to men ? Peter is not telling us we cannot understand the bible without a man to tell us. He's saying people distort scriptures.
Barry Johnson
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You have a choice to believe a particular brand of doctrines on Election and predestination . Or decide to learn what the words mean in context.What your telling me is that we need to give over our sense making to men ? Peter is not telling us we cannot understand the bible without a man to tell us. He's saying people distort scriptures.
I never said any such thing[/QUOTE
You have a choice to believe a particular brand of doctrines on Election and predestination . Or decide to learn what the words mean in context.
That's not what I said.You have a choice to believe a particular brand of doctrines on Election and predestination . Or decide to learn what the words mean in context.
I was concerned that you were disparaging doctrine when the Scriptures teach us to respect the Teaching gift he has given some in his Body
Barry Johnson
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Yes the scriptures say we have been given teachers ect but we are also responsible when we are deceived by false teachers .There is a principle Scripture teaches.
Scripture teaches that God has given us people with Teaching gifts.
You are free to ignore them, of course, but you risk being misled by ignoring Scriptural teaching of the gifts God has ordained
Barry Johnson
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I'm disparaging the false doctrines of reformed theology.That's not what I said.
I was concerned that you were disparaging doctrine when the Scriptures teach us to respect the Teaching gift he has given some in his Body
Teachers are set aside by Christians to help us understand God's Word by developing doctrine.That's not what I said.
I was concerned that you were disparaging doctrine when the Scriptures teach us to respect the Teaching gift he has given some in his Body
Dr. Bruce Milne, Dr. J.I. Packer and Dr. M.J. Erickson are great teachers. Yes?
Wow.I'm disparaging the false doctrines of reformed theology.
Big call.
Glad it was you who said that and not me.
OK. We all answer to God on Judgement Day for every word we speak. Look forward to seeing how that works out for you. God bless!I'm disparaging the false doctrines of reformed theology.
Barry Johnson
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Whats your thoughts on the OP ?OK. We all answer to God on Judgement Day for every word we speak. Look forward to seeing how that works out for you. God bless!
What's the OPWhats your thoughts on the OP ?
That was a genuine question.What's the OP
Barry Johnson
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OK. We all answer to God on Judgement Day for every word we speak. Look forward to seeing how that works out for you. God bless!
The main post .What's the OP
I started Bible College in 1988 and
Prof. Louis Berkhof's Systematic Theology was our main text book.
When I read his views on Election and Predestination I threw his book against the wall and stormed off for a walk around the block to cool off.
I'd been bought up in a strict Methodist church that was strongly Arminianist. So when I first read Calvinist teachings I thought it heretical false teaching.
However, I later read Dr. Millard J. Ericsson's Christian Theology and I was converted and became a Moderate Calvinist and still am.
Prof. Louis Berkhof's Systematic Theology was our main text book.
When I read his views on Election and Predestination I threw his book against the wall and stormed off for a walk around the block to cool off.
I'd been bought up in a strict Methodist church that was strongly Arminianist. So when I first read Calvinist teachings I thought it heretical false teaching.
However, I later read Dr. Millard J. Ericsson's Christian Theology and I was converted and became a Moderate Calvinist and still am.
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