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Featured The dreaded doctrine of election and perseverance.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Nov 9, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

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    This man needed help on Isaiah. What's your point?
     
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    We have the words ' elect ' Chosen , predestined , called ect . Isn't it better to take each word in context ?
     
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    Notice it says " how can I " ?
     
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    But the Scriptures themselves say such things as:

    "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.

    His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
    2 Peter 3:16 (NIV)
     
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    What your telling me is that we need to give over our sense making to men ? Peter is not telling us we cannot understand the bible without a man to tell us. He's saying people distort scriptures.
     
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    There is a principle Scripture teaches.

    Scripture teaches that God has given us people with Teaching gifts.

    You are free to ignore them, of course, but you risk being misled by ignoring Scriptural teaching of the gifts God has ordained
     
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    I never said any such thing
     
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    You have a choice to believe a particular brand of doctrines on Election and predestination . Or decide to learn what the words mean in context.
     
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    That's not what I said.

    I was concerned that you were disparaging doctrine when the Scriptures teach us to respect the Teaching gift he has given some in his Body
     
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    Yes the scriptures say we have been given teachers ect but we are also responsible when we are deceived by false teachers .
     
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    I'm disparaging the false doctrines of reformed theology.
     
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    Teachers are set aside by Christians to help us understand God's Word by developing doctrine.

    Dr. Bruce Milne, Dr. J.I. Packer and Dr. M.J. Erickson are great teachers. Yes?
     
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    Wow.

    Big call.

    Glad it was you who said that and not me.
     
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    OK. We all answer to God on Judgement Day for every word we speak. Look forward to seeing how that works out for you. God bless!
     
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    Whats your thoughts on the OP ?
     
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    What's the OP
     
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    That was a genuine question.
     
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    The main post .
     
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    I'm new here and just celebrating my 50th year as a Christian so maybe too old to understand latest acronyms.

    But I can tell you a funny story about "The dreaded doctrine of election and perseverance."

    And yes it is relevant and on-topic
     
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    I started Bible College in 1988 and
    Prof. Louis Berkhof's Systematic Theology was our main text book.

    When I read his views on Election and Predestination I threw his book against the wall and stormed off for a walk around the block to cool off.

    I'd been bought up in a strict Methodist church that was strongly Arminianist. So when I first read Calvinist teachings I thought it heretical false teaching.

    However, I later read Dr. Millard J. Ericsson's Christian Theology and I was converted and became a Moderate Calvinist and still am.
     
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