Featured Baptists disagree on the meaning of baptism in . . .

There is no 'body' to be placed into.

A church is a body of human beings that assemble.

Those Saved souls outside One of the Divinely Organized and Scripturally Baptizing Baptist Churches, like The KIND Jesus Built, ARE IN THE KINGDOM of THE SON.

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The Church is made up up of all of the saved of the Lord, so its a Universal Corporate Body!

 

Sure.

[Romans 6:1-7 NASB]
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with [Him] in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [in the likeness] of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with [Him,] in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.​

Paul was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to attempt to tell us something that God thought important enough to preserve for 2000 years. In verse 3 it states: "all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death".

Are Paul and the Holy Spirit trying to tell us something about the importance of immersion in water as opposed to sprinkling? Are those that cannot be immersed for physical reasons NOT baptized into the death of Christ?

Are Paul and the Holy Spirit speaking exclusively of Baptism of the Holy Spirit, a spiritual Baptism, with absolutely no application to any physical event involving water?

Are Paul and the Holy Spirit attempting to communicate spiritual truths using typologies, where one sort of event serves as an "Ebenezer" or "foreshadowing" of another event?

Must Paul and the Holy Spirit be doing one of these three things with the other two being an eisigetical reading into scripture of what God has not placed there? Is it not possible that Paul and the Holy Spirit are presenting truths on all three levels at the same time in this short paragraph.

Our immersion in water is a physical "Ebenezer" of our death and burial with Christ, and our immersion in water is a topological symbol of the spiritual death, burial and renewal that takes place within us on a spiritual level. Both our physical baptism in water and our spiritual baptism with the Holy Spirit are typologies of a future promise yet to be fulfilled. There will come a day when the mortal shall put on immortality and we shall be like He is. On that day, we shall TRULY be burried in Christs death and resurrected into Christ's new life.

Romans 6:3 is not about an "either/or" ... it is about an "already and not yet". We already died and were reborn with Christ when He defeated death 200 years ago, and we are currently dying to the old man and being born anew through our baptism and rebirth in this life, and we shall die to all things of this world and be reborn perfect when the Groom claims His bride.

Is that specific enough?
I believe that the same truth applies to ALL of those verses in the OP.

 

What does God Teach in His Word?

16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; ( in water, by The Authority of God) but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost (Jesus Immersed His Kind of church, at Jerusalem, on The Day of Pentecost, which will/would have included some John were talking to.) and with fire (the lost in Hell that did not come forth bearing fruit met for repentance, who, too, were there listening to John

5 For John truly baptized with water; (these souls had to be Saved and have The Holy Spirit in their soul, or they did not qualify to be water baptized)

but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. (Jesus Immersed His Kind of church, at Jerusalem, on The Day of Pentecost.)

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water (water); but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost (Jesus Immersed His Kind of church, at Jerusalem, on The Day of Pentecost.)

Jesus baptized His church with Another Comforter that He Promised to Send, to Watch Over His churches, until He Returns, again. The Shekinah Glory.

13 For by (THE LEADING OF) one Spirit

are we all baptized (by water)

into one body (The Church of The Lord Jesus Christ, at Corinth),

whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;

and have been all made to drink (Been Saved by God) into one Spirit (at Salvation, by The New Birth).

When a person does not know or refuses God's Interpretation, they are open for Satan to use them, in INVENTED NON-EXISTENT FALSE DOCTRINES.

The Holy Spirit has Never Baptised anything.

Immersion and baptism never have anything to do with Salvation.

These Saints, at Corinth, were O.K. to Worship with Jews and Gentiles, together, since they were both Made to Drink of that Self-Same Spirit that LED THEM TO BE WATER BAPTIZED INTO THAT LOCAL BODY, in Corinth.

 

Believes that he takes it as meaning water baptized into local church, while I see it as being Baptized into Universal Church , the Body of Christ at large!

 

That is not the case.

This definition took Satan 1800 to sell to people.

It can only be 'found' in The Bible, IF, FIRST,
the actual Divine Interpretation of what God wants us to Understand,
MUST BE IGNORED and FOUGHT for all Rome is worth, i.e., whatever it worth to Satan.

 

The Body of Christ are all of the saved, in history!

 

"The Body" is a generic use which means, "bodies", when the article is dropped, just like with every other word used this way in History.

Ephesians 4 says there is one body.

A local body and a mythical, mystical, mysteriously never found, in the Bible or elsewhere, universal 'body', would be two bodies.

Baptists Teach that one kind of body means one kind of body, for 'one body'.

Baptists with a capital 'b' that is.

1=1.

No Rome and her daughters were not called to stand for or care about The Lord's church bodies hHe Designed and Organized.

 

The claim in the op is without foundation and suspect at best. An attempt by me to obtain the foundation was ignored. This is a fruitless conversation.

 

Believers have The Holy Spirit, already.

No one is to be baptized, in the one baptism (water), unless they are Saved and show evidence of having Repentented and believed, and they already have The Holy Spirit, if so. .

Rome and her daughters do not care about the Bible Teachings of Church Truth.

Authority in the Baptism
A Sermon by Rosco Brong

The Baptism Commanded from heaven is committted Only to Baptists



"Having been buried with him in the baptism in which also ye were raised with (him) through the faith of the energy of the God, the one having raised him from the dead." (Colossians 2:12, literal translation.)


Our text describes the one baptism of the New Testament authorized as a continuing ordinance of God. First administered by the first Baptist on direct command from heaven, it was continued under the direction of Jesus by the disciples constituting the first Baptist church, and finally committed to that same church for administration to the end of the age. "The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?. . ." (Matthew 21:25.) A right answer to this question must lead to a recognition of the authority of Jesus as Head of His church, even as Jewish priests and elders reasoned long ago.


Only One Baptism
In a literal sense the Bible teaches only one baptism, that is, one kind of baptism, as a New Testament ordinance. This is immersion in water of a born-again believer by the ministry of a New Testament church for the purpose of providing a symbol or figure of the faith professed. Other literal immersions, bathings, or washings are mentioned in the New Testament, but the Greek uses a different noun from the one used for New Testament baptism.


Jesus spoke of His sufferings as a baptism, but of course this is figurative language. John said that Jesus would baptize in the Holy Spirit and in fire, but this too is figurative, as baptism is properly a dipping in water. The first Baptist church in Jerusalem was once for all figuratively baptized by Jesus in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, thus receiving for all time divine certification that this is the kind of church in which God dwells on earth.


It remains true that for New Testament purposes there is literally only one baptism (Ephesians 4:5), and therefore our text (Colossians 2:12) refers to it literally as "the baptism." The definite article is used also in Romans 6:4, "we were buried with him through the baptism with reference to the death."


Bogus Baptisms
As our text makes clear, the baptism of the New Testament involves a burial in water and a raising of the buried body as a picture of the burial and resurrection of Christ. Obviously pouring or sprinkling do not afford such a picture, and if men call such rites baptism the term is bogus when so applied.


Baptism is done through the faith of the operation or energy of the very God Who raised Christ from the dead. This rules out Campbellite and other so-called baptisms of false faiths. The one baptism is an expression of one faith in one Lord. (Ephesians 4:5.)


Now, to demand this faith in the person being baptized while denying its necessity in the administrator of baptism is a gross inconsistency. Any man, woman, or child with physical ability can imitate in word and deed the outward form of scriptural baptism, regardless of the religious or irreligious character of anyone involved, but if the act is not performed by divine authority it is bogus.


Authorized Administration
Certainly the only ultimate and absolute Authority is God Himself, and certainly all Christians will agree in theory that baptism, as well as every other act of Christian service, must be in submission to His authority to be acceptable in His sight. Differences arise, however, with regard to subordinate authority in administration.


John the Baptist was a man sent from God with authority to baptize (John 1:6, 33), and the first disciples of Jesus got their authority directly from Him (John 4:1, 2). When Jesus went back to heaven did He commit administrative authority to anyone in particular, or did He leave it to be assumed by anyone in general?


Subordinate authority may be explicit, implicit, or assumed. Both explicitly and implicitly Jesus committed to His church the responsibility of making disciples, baptizing them, and teaching them to observe all His commandments. (Matt. 28:18-20.) Attempts by other persons to exercise this authority are assumption based on presumption.


Practically all Christendom has substantially agreed for over 19 centuries that Jesus committed to His church the administrative authority for carrying on His work. For the identification of this church, see chapters on "Christ's Church" and "Baptist Perpetuity."


In recent years, the most destructive attacks upon church authority have been made by advocates of the universal invisible church theory, according to which all saved persons are members of this imaginary church. But if Jesus commissioned disciples merely as disciples to administer baptism, then sprinklers, pourers, and Campbellites, not to mention Catholics (or at least genuine disciples among them), have equal authority with Baptists, since there are almost certainly some saved people in all these groups.


On the other hand, if by some feat of mental acrobatics the Baptist apologist for alien immersion insists that only the authority is unimportant, while the scriptural form, subject, and motive of baptism must be maintained, it need only be said that both subject and motive are unscriptural where divine authority is flouted. In alien immersion nothing remains but empty form.


Disputed Cases
Some disputants have tried to build an argument on the fact that inspired history in Acts does not give details of church procedure in connection with recorded baptisms. So they assume that at least some of these baptisms were administered by individual disciples without church authority. One answer to this problem, if it is a problem, is simply that in some exceptional cases God the Holy Spirit could have, if He so wished, given personal direction to an individual to administer baptism rather than directed through church action, which is His more normal procedure. Upon any person claiming such authority today lies the burden of proof to show that he is prompted by the same Holy Spirit in harmony with apostolic doctrine. More likely he is prompted by his own fleshly pride to promote his own heresy.


Another answer, conclusive for saints who honor God's word, is that if we are going to assume something beyond what is written concerning the generally faithful servants of God, let us assume that they were obedient rather than disobedient with reference to service which God approves in His word. It is just as easy, and much more honoring to Christ and His body, the church, to assume that all baptisms recorded in Acts with divine approval were performed with church authority, explicit or implicit, as to assume that Philip or Ananias, for instance, acted without such authority (Acts 8:38; 9:10-18) just because the details are not recounted in the scripture.


A Matter of Doctrine
We are told in Acts 19:1-4 something of baptism without authority. At Ephesus Paul found about a dozen disciples who claimed to have John's baptism. Probably they had been dipped by Apollos, who later learned ". . . the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 18:24-28), but this point is irrelevant. The Bible does not say that these men had John's baptism. The Bible says that "they said, Unto John's baptism." That is, they claimed to have, perhaps they really believed they had, John's baptism.


Attempts to distinguish between John's baptism and later Christian baptism, attempts to make the doctrine of John the Baptist and of the apostle Peter different from the doctrine of Paul - such attempts are mere hogwash. When these disciples showed their ignorance of New Testament doctrine while claiming the baptism of John, Paul immediately summarized the teaching of John as identical with that of all true New Testament teachers, "saying unto the people, that they should believe . . . on Christ Jesus."


The point is that New Testament doctrine must accompany New Testament baptism. Only so do we have the baptism of our text, "through the faith of the energy of the God that raised him (Christ) from the dead." So instructed, the disciples at Ephesus "were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus" that is, under His authority through an official minister of His church.


It is always so. Where Christ is honored, His word is believed, His body is respected. The authorized administrator of the baptism that pictures His gospel is the church that He instituted and that He promised to be with to the end of the age. This is the only kind of church that believes and obeys His word and so can teach other disciples to obey Him.
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[From Rosco Brong, Christ's Church and Baptism, 1977, pp. 74-78. Scanned and formatted by Jim Duvall.]

 

Sigh, I doubt you got those questions from what I posted. More obfuscation. What Baptists disagree?

 

The OP disagreement issue is great.

I have always looked to see, "What does God Say"?

Not, "what does someone deny?"

To deny 'water' in I Corinthians 12:13, it has to not be taken literally
and the Scripture of "one baptism" has to be ignored.

Then, a new and different false teaching of there being "Spirit Baptism"
can be invented and the Teachings on Church Truth lost.

 

The truth of the Universal catholic Church is true, NOT the Catholic as in their way of seeing it!