Baptists disagree on the meaning of baptism in . . .

[37818]

Universal catholic

Redundant. The term universe, catholic is extra Biblical at best. In late copies of the NT is used in some of the titles of letters translated "general."

 

[Yeshua1]

Redundant. The term universe, catholic is extra Biblical at best. In late copies of the NT is used in some of the titles of letters translated "general."

Many Baptists dislike that term, as they associate it with Rome, but in the Bible, refers to the entire body of Christ!

 

[37818]

Many Baptists dislike that term, as they associate it with Rome, but in the Bible, refers to the entire body of Christ!

It is not a Biblical term, except in some of late Greek NT book titles such as in, THE GENERAL EPISTLE OF JAMES.

 

[Salty]

It is not a Biblical term, except in some of late Greek NT book titles such as in, THE GENERAL EPISTLE OF JAMES.

and neither is Trinity - much ado about nothing - other than making sure that we understand the meaning of the term (s)

 

[Yeshua1]

It is not a Biblical term, except in some of late Greek NT book titles such as in, THE GENERAL EPISTLE OF JAMES.

Which might have been one of the earliest NT books!

 

[37818]

and neither is Trinity - much ado about nothing - other than making sure that we understand the meaning of the term (s)

Well the term "catholic" was apparently first used in the third century in the forged letter attributed to Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaean church where the phrase "the Catholic Church" is first used, η καθολικη εκκλησια. The Catholic teaching of Eucherist being the flesh of Christ is taught in that letter.

 

[Yeshua1]

Well the term "catholic" was apparently first used in the third century in the forged letter attributed to Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaean church where the phrase "the Catholic Church" is first used, η καθολικη εκκλησια. The Catholic teaching of Eucherist being the flesh of Christ is taught in that letter.

Universal Church is taught, but not the Rome version of it!

 

[Revmitchell]

In my OP, not from anything you posted. Also from known disagreements from other Baptists over the years. So I fail to understand your objections.

My objection is you make a claim the title that is unproven. Baptists cant disagree its is at the foundation of being a Baptist. Unless you believe it is by immersion then you are not a Baptist no matter how many Baptist churches you attend.

You made no attempt to prove your claim only assumed it was true then obfuscated when asked about it. That is my objection.

 

[Yeshua1]

My objection is you make a claim the title that is unproven. Baptists cant disagree its is at the foundation of being a Baptist. Unless you believe it is by immersion then you are not a Baptist no matter how many Baptist churches you attend.

You made no attempt to prove your claim only assumed it was true then obfuscated when asked about it. That is my objection.

His point is valid though, in that there are passages when some read water there, others the Holy Spirit !

 

[37818]

Which might have been one of the earliest NT books!

That term was only used in some titles of late copies of the NT letters.

Universal Church is taught, but not the Rome version of it!

On the contrary the earliest use of the term, the Catholic Church, was in that forged letter teaching that the Eucherist was the flesh of Christ.

 

[Yeshua1]

That term was only used in some titles of late copies of the NT letters.
On the contrary the earliest use of the term, the Catholic Church, was in that forged letter teaching that the Eucherist was the flesh of Christ.

the term just needs to be divested of the Roman Catholic taint on it....

 

[37818]

My objection is you make a claim the title that is unproven. Baptists cant disagree its is at the foundation of being a Baptist. Unless you believe it is by immersion then you are not a Baptist no matter how many Baptist churches you attend.

You made no attempt to prove your claim only assumed it was true then obfuscated when asked about it. That is my objection.

Baptism means immersion, and is not at issue in this thread. I do not understand how you can missunderstand.

 

[37818]

the term just needs to be divested of the Roman Catholic taint on it....

How? The term usage originated with the Catholic Church in the third century.

 

[Revmitchell]

Baptism means immersion, and is not at issue in this thread. I do not understand how you can missunderstand.

Read your title. Nough said

 

[37818]

Read your title. Nough said

Baptists disagree on the meaning of baptism in . . .
. . . in . . . what?

 

[JonC]

It is my understanding that Baptists disagree on the interpertation of the term "baptism" in some passages of Scripture.
Romans 6:3.
1 Corinthians 12:13.
Ephesians 4:4-6.
Hebrews 6:2.
And there may be some other references.

My self, I understand Romans 6:3 and Ephesians 4:6 to refer to water immersion.
And that 1 Corinthians 12:13 to mean the immersion by the Holy Spirit into the one body of Christ.
The teaching singular of immersions plural, Hebrews 6:2, to refer to water, the Holy Spirit and the lake of fire in the finial judgement. Luke 3:16-17.
That John 3:5 has nothing to do with believers water immersion.

Historically not all Baptists observed immersion. Baptist implies believers baptism as an ordinance, not necessarily the mode of baptism (for example, John Smythe baptized by pouring water rather than by immersion, but only as believers baptism). John Lathrop and Henry Jessey (Paticular Baptists) also baptized by sprinkling or pouring.

Another difference is whether the water has to be "living" or flowing.

 

[37818]

@JonC
My thinking for this thread was more along the lines of understanding a passage in terms of water immerion or regneration with the immersion of the Holy Spirit being meant. The idea of baptism being other than immersion was not an issue.

 

[AustinC]

@JonC
My thinking for this thread was more along the lines of understanding a passage in terms of water immerion or regneration with the immersion of the Holy Spirit being meant. The idea of baptism being other than immersion was not an issue.

So, the question is: Is the greek word "baptizo" always about water, or is it about other things as well?

When baptism is used in the Bible, must it always refer to water baptism or does it sometimes refer to immersion into something other than water?

Is that what you are asking?

 

[37818]

It is my understanding, the Greek term for "baptism" without other qualifications, I understand it to refer to water baptism.

Passages which do not solely use the term meaning immersion without some other type of qualification, I understand can refer to other than water immersion.

It has been my understanding the passages referenced in my OP baptists have disagreed whether or not they refer to water immersion.

 

[MB]

It is my understanding, the Greek term for "baptism" without other qualifications, I understand it to refer to water baptism.

Passages which do not solely use the term meaning immersion without some other type of qualification, I understand can refer to other than water immersion.

It has been my understanding the passages referenced in my OP baptists have disagreed whether or not they refer to water immersion.

Baptism imo symbolizes the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.it acknowledges compliance with Bible teaching. It gives the receiver the opportunity to confess Christ publically. For some it's the reception of the Holy Spirit. In some churches it means membership in that particular church.

Entering in to baptism for me was compliance with scripture and afterwards was a blessing I'll never forget
MB