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The Role of Women

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  1. Sai

    Sai Well-Known Member

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    Women receive the same spiritual gifts as men do. Teaching, mercy, helps etc. however they have been forbidden to use their gifts in certain areas of church leadership. The reason we are given for example for the head covering is because God gave the woman long hair as the woman’s glory, she is to cover her glory in the meeting of the congregation because men are given the responsibility of reflecting God’s image to the church by uncovering their heads. If the woman has her hair on display she detracts from the glory of God seen in men’s obedience to teach the laws of Christ during the called out church service. Silence is required due to women’s natural deficiency in the realm of seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, which they are prone to believe.


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    The original comment was about blame, and all three were blamed, not just Adam.

    Adam and Eve both received death, the cursed ground being a reminder of both origin and destiny.
     
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    Well, yes, that is what I said. :)
     
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    Well, he was either standing with her or sitting on the ground. I didn't mean anything by that.
     
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    I have not displayed a desire to usurp a man. There are only two men who have ever been in authority over me and that was my father and my pastor. That's it. In laying out what the Bible says, how can I be usurping anything?

    Let me make this concise - I. HAVE. NOT. TARGETED. ADAM.

    YOU targeted Eve and I merely explained why the Bible says that all sin comes from Adam. I made it very clear that Eve's sin was GREAT.

    Adam is NOT the romance novel guy who just followed Eve so that he would not lose her. He threw her under the bus when God asked HIM what he had done.

    You say that Adam just didn't know any better? No. Adam knew what God's command was and when the serpent said otherwise and Eve turned to him to hand him the fruit - he deliberately disobeyed.

    Why are you excusing Adam by saying he just didn't know better?

    This is very important: In my explanation to you about why God placed the responsibility of the world's sin on Adam, I have NOT dismissed Eve's role in this mess.

    YOU - in making Eve the only bad guy and claiming Adam just didn't know better - you have dismissed Adam's role in the world's sin.
     
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    Yes, in Genesis, but Paul laid it all upon Adam as being the guilty party between himself and eve!
     
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    Hmmm.. this sounds like a rebellious woman to me smh.

    I started by giving the woman credit by specifically conceding that women have the very same gifts as men and can be and sometimes are better equipped to do the very same tasks as men. That right there just blew your argument up in smoke concerning me “pinning” on Evelyn what God has laid upon Adam, the responsible party for the failure to obey the command to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    What you fail to see is that women are uniquely susceptible to doctrines of demons and seducing spirits. That does not make women less valuable than men. It is what scripture teaches. Mary baker e, hellen g white, and scores of others within Christendom.

    If your pastor is teaching that the command for women to wear a head covering and to remain silent during the services is just a cultural thing excusing it away, then he, just like Adam will be held responsible for you not receiving the blessing God wants to give to faithful women of God during the Messianic Kingdom that precedes the Eternal Order by 1000 years.


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    God allowed it to happen knowing full well what would happen. That Eve would be deceived in thinking she could become like God. That’s pretty heavy. To actually believe that. Plenty of men have thought that in history too, not just Eve. However, Adam did not believe he could be equal to God unlike Eve and perhaps more importantly like Satan believed.
    Satan attempted to get both Adam and Eve to believe what he believed thru the beauty of his own countenance, that he too could be God. Isn’t it significant to the entire created beings in the heavens that man did not accept the presupposition that he had within his make up the ability to become like God?

    Adam was given authority over more than had been given to Satan. Satan had been given authority over the Eden of God which was a mineral garden. We are not told of any female angelic beings nor any animal creations that Satan had been given authority over. And Satan was not created in the image of the almighty.

    Satan succeed in causing the fall of Adam because he deceived Eve. What was on Adam’s mind we can not know.


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    I said nothing to constitute rebellion.

    Show me please - from the Bible - where women are "uniquely susceptible to doctrines of demons and seducing spirits."

    Now there are about 3-5 men on this board who will come to your defense and agree with you. I've heard over the years here that women sin more than men because they are more CARNAL than men and that women in general are "easily deceived" [which is not in the Bible either].

    I'll come back to this thread only to read your response. But I won't respond anymore.

    But I DO want to see from the Bible where you get your belief that women are "uniquely susceptible" to evil and men never fall for the devil's lies. I'm anxious to hear how you answer this.
     
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    Last time I checked, Pastor Russel and Joseph Smith fell hard for the Devil lies, and both were male!
     
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    Please point to the scripture where Eve is blamed.
    I am familiar with verses in Genesis that blame the serpent and verses by Paul that blame Adam, but cannot call to memory any specific verse that blames Eve. I just want to see what you see in scripture to base your statement on.
     
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    I want you to know I have enjoyed your level headed, biblically centered responses for several years.

    Peace to you
     
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    “and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression:”
    ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭ASV‬‬


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    Dude no, what are you doing man?


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    Smh


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    “But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. For Adam was first formed, then Eve;”
    ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭ASV‬‬


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    So, perhaps you can first explain what you mean. Are you suggesting that Eve was not aware of what God had said about not eating from the Tree? Or that Eve did not sin? Or that Eve was not held responsible for her sin? Or that Eve did not deserve the consequences of her sin? Or that there were no consequences for her sin?
     
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    Smh?

    peace to you
     
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    See post #59 where I already did as you request.

    You said:
    I just asked for the specific scripture you base that claim on.

    Serpent is blamed: (Genesis 3:14)
    Adam is blamed: (Romans 5:12)
    Eve is blamed: ??
     
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    I had to look it up ... SMH = Shaking My Head

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