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The Absolute Equality of Jesus and The Father

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Nov 18, 2020.

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  1. Reformed1689

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    When I say fundamentally different you are talking as though he was a different person. He wasn't. Jesus the Son of God is eternal, not created.
     
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    No you aren't dealing with facts, you are making an absolute statement that was not made in Scripture. You ASSUMED that is what it meant. All it says is that the humans were to call him Jesus.
     
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    anyway, you still don't get it!
     
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    Still don't get what? That you are reading things into Scripture that are not there and stating your opinion as fact? No, I totally get that.
     
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    enough said, can't waste time on your "theories"
     
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    I didn't give a theory.
     
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    Jesus not eternal in his humanity, but in his Deity!
     
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    He existed eternally as the Word, as God, but was not Jesus until took on His human flesh and human nature
     
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    See I don't think Scripture explicitly states that and, so far, nothing has been shown to say that.
     
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    He was the Word, and the Angel of the Lord in the OT, and when he Incarnated, then called Jesus!
     
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    some simply don't grasp this great truth!
     
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    study your Bible and you will see this very clearly. for example, Philippians 2:5-11
     
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    Are you saying that Jesus saying "my Father is greater than I" is just a respectful saying?. It's not that I believe they are not equal in power. I believe the three are actually one God just different facets of the same God. Although while still on earth before the crucifixion, Christ may have been lower in power than the Father since He was living in a lower existence.
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    If you would call Him Jesus in the OT, would have not responded!
     
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    Matthew 20:28, among other verses, says, "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”. Jesus Christ came as Servant, in a "suboridinate" role to God the Father, while on earth. In John 15:20, Jesus says, "Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours". In Hebrews 2:9 it says, "ut we do see Jesus--made lower than the angels for a short time so that by God's grace He might taste death for everyone--crowned with glory and honor because of His suffering in death"
     
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    "Yeshua", in the OT which is commonly translated as "Saviour", is also used for The Second Person of the Trinity!
     
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    If anything that supports my position. It says Jesus (already existent) took upon Himself the form of a man.
    Who doesn't grasp this? He just said the same thing I have been saying.
     
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    Yes, do you know what Jesus is in Hebrew?
     
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    take Isaiah 43:11, "I, I am the LORD, and besides Me there is no Savior", with Luke 2:11, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord"
     
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    David, PLEASE don't keep on posting for the sake of arguing with me, as it is very clear that you really don't understand what the Bible very plainly teaches!

    WHEN the Second Person of the Trinity "took upon Himself the form of a man", as you yourself say, it is at THIS time, that He was called JESUS. I have already shown this from the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, but you still insist on your folly!
     
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