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The Absolute Equality of Jesus and The Father

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Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
so you like conjecture in your theology? I only deal with Scripture facts!
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No you aren't dealing with facts, you are making an absolute statement that was not made in Scripture. You ASSUMED that is what it meant. All it says is that the humans were to call him Jesus.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
When I say fundamentally different you are talking as though he was a different person. He wasn't. Jesus the Son of God is eternal, not created.
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He existed eternally as the Word, as God, but was not Jesus until took on His human flesh and human nature
 
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SavedByGrace said:
Sure, from John 5:23, "να παντες τιμωσιν τον υιον καθως τιμωσιν τον πατερα ο μη τιμων τον υιον ου τιμα τον πατερα τον πεμψαντα αυτον", where my literal translation is, "that everyone may Honour the Son, JUST AS (καθως) they Honour the Father. He that does not Honour the Son, does not Honour the Father, that sent Him". Also, when Jesus healed the man earlier in this chapter in John, He said that He was working with His own Father in doing so. To which the Jews were enraged, not only because Jesus had in their eyes had broken the Sabbath Day, but, by saying that His OWN Father was also working with Him, He had made, "Himself equal with God" (verses 17-18). The use of this adjective, ἴσος (equal), is used by the Greek Homer, "such as to afford favour to neither side". Again, in John 10:30, Jesus says, "εγω και ο πατηρ εν εσμεν", that is, "I and the Father, one we are", where the "unity" is that of "Power, Authority and Protection", which is clear from verses 28-29, "And not anyone shall snatch them out of My hand...no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand".
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Are you saying that Jesus saying "my Father is greater than I" is just a respectful saying?. It's not that I believe they are not equal in power. I believe the three are actually one God just different facets of the same God. Although while still on earth before the crucifixion, Christ may have been lower in power than the Father since He was living in a lower existence.
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SavedByGrace

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MB said:
Are you saying that Jesus saying "my Father is greater than I" is just a respectful saying?. It's not that I believe they are not equal in power. I believe the three are actually one God just different facets of the same God. Although while still on earth before the crucifixion, Christ may have been lower in power than the Father since He was living in a lower existence.
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Matthew 20:28, among other verses, says, "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”. Jesus Christ came as Servant, in a "suboridinate" role to God the Father, while on earth. In John 15:20, Jesus says, "Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours". In Hebrews 2:9 it says, "ut we do see Jesus--made lower than the angels for a short time so that by God's grace He might taste death for everyone--crowned with glory and honor because of His suffering in death"
 
SavedByGrace

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Yeshua1 said:
If you would call Him Jesus in the OT, would have not responded!
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take Isaiah 43:11, "I, I am the LORD, and besides Me there is no Savior", with Luke 2:11, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord"
 
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SavedByGrace

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davidtaylorjr said:
If anything that supports my position. It says Jesus (already existent) took upon Himself the form of a man.

Who doesn't grasp this? He just said the same thing I have been saying.
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David, PLEASE don't keep on posting for the sake of arguing with me, as it is very clear that you really don't understand what the Bible very plainly teaches!

WHEN the Second Person of the Trinity "took upon Himself the form of a man", as you yourself say, it is at THIS time, that He was called JESUS. I have already shown this from the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, but you still insist on your folly!
 
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