Biblical Repentance and the gospel of John

[AustinC]

ah, this is REPENTING, and according to you, a WORK!!! make up your minds!

All Christians repent. It is a response to God having made us alive with Christ.
Once we are made children if God, we are aware that God is holy and we are not. We confess our sins as the Spirit of God breaks our dysfunctional heart of stone.
God saves by grace and then graciously refines us in the image of God the Son.

So, yes, God has ordained works for his children to do and some of that work is confession of our wretched tendencies to sin.

 

[AustinC]

Can someone tell me how sorry I need to be for my sins to be saved? Really sorry or just a little? Is their a degree of sorrow I need to reach to be regenerated?

What about repenting of my sins? How many sins? All? How is that possible? I thought repentance was changing our mind about Jesus.

Thank you. You reveal the legalism of the situation and thus the emptiness of grace in the equation.

 

[AustinC]

wrong! 1 John 2:2 is most definitely about the salvation of the entire human race, "He is the propitiation for our sins (Christians), and not for ours only (Christians) but also for the sins of the whole world (non-Christians)". Amen!

Conclusion of your assertion:

All humans are therefore saved.

But...no doubt you have created a means by which rebellious humans defeat God's work and make it so that not all go to heaven.
Tell us this philosophy you have created to ensure that universal salvation is not, in fact, universal. Tell us how God is bested by the will of man.

 

[AustinC]

ALL your sins, and with truly "godly sorrow", as the Bible says. God knows our hearts. Anyway I am off to bed as I am from good old England. Good night!

How sorrowful do you have to be for it to be godly, since humans are by nature godless? Why is it that Martin Luther's multiple daily repentances to the Roman Catholic priest were not enough? How is it that in all those acts of repentance and deep remorse, Luther could not find relief? Was he not godly enough? Was he not sorrowful enough?

How is it that Martin came to peace, not by multiple repentances per day, but by being justified by faith?

Tell us what legalistic works must be accomplished in order for our repentance to be godly enough for God to save us?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Anyone who says they have repented of all their sins and is sorry for all their sins is a liar sir. That is impossible and the Lord doesn’t grade on a curve. So it’s sinless perfection that is needed and no amount of repentance or sorrow can be achieved by a human.

you might be an insincere person, but please don't assume that all the others are not sincere in their repenting!

 

[AustinC]

you might be an insincere person, but please don't assume that all the others are not sincere in their repenting!

You are avoiding the question asked.
Tell us the legal requirement for repenting to be godly, which then causes God to save you.
Was Martin Luther insincere when he came to the priest, multiple times per day to repent? Was his repentance ungodly and therefore God refused to save him until God revealed justification by faith to Martin?

 

[Van]

Can someone tell me how sorry I need to be for my sins to be saved? Really sorry or just a little? Is their a degree of sorrow I need to reach to be regenerated?

What about repenting of my sins? How many sins? All? How is that possible? I thought repentance was changing our mind about Jesus.

Hi Southern Fried Baptist,
I think the idea of "feeling sorry for my sins" is not about the depth of my sorry, but of its validity. You are spot on in saying all born anew believers continue to fall short of the glory of God, we all think and do things outside of the will of God. If we say otherwise, 1 John 1:8 provides rebuttal. However, we are not to accept our failures and say "Oh well." We are to acknowledge our short comings, and strive to do better each day. If we do not strive to walk the talk, that makes us hypocrites and ineffective witnesses for Christ.

But what about before I am saved? Yes we need to commit fully to Christ, turning from going our own way to God and to going as God commands. If our commitment is superficial or we do not go "all in" for Christ, then like the second and third soils of Matthew 13, our "faith" may not be credited by God as righteousness, and we will remain unsaved. So this pre-salvation "repentance and faith" refers to our heart-felt full commitment to following Christ as best we can, rather than actually stopping our smoking or drinking or whatever else we see as not following the will of God. To say, "nobody is perfect" or other such excuse in an attempt to justify our failures is the opposite of full commitment to Christ.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are avoiding the question asked.
Tell us the legal requirement for repenting to be godly, which then causes God to save you.
Was Martin Luther insincere when he came to the priest, multiple times per day to repent? Was his repentance ungodly and therefore God refused to save him until God revealed justification by faith to Martin?

I refer you to your Bible, but ask that you seek the Holy Spirit when you read it, and have an open, non theological mind and heart!

 

[Barry Johnson]

WHY only the Gospel of John? What about the entire Bible? I have shown from Jesus in Luke's Gospel, and Peter in Acts, which is very clear that "repentance" leads to forgiveness of sins, and salvation! But you will keep on ignoring this!

Repent means to break frame from current set of thinking and reconsider . To change your mind ect ..Calvinists mistakenly think this ' changing of the mind ' has to be a supernatural gift.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Repent means to break frame from current set of thinking and reconsider . To change your mind ect ..Calvinists mistakenly think this ' changing of the mind ' has to be a supernatural gift.

But surely the Holy Spirit has to convict the sinner first

 

[Yeshua1]

if you are here referring to Ephesians 2:8-9, then you are wrong, as it is salvation and not faith here that is considered the "gift"! Although ultimately , even the faith that is produced by the hearing of the Gospel (Romans 10:17), cannot be from oneself, but needs be by the working in the sinners heart by the Holy Spirit. The sinner then can either accept or reject this.

The entire "salvation package: is a gift from God, as detailed and laid out in Romans 8!

 

[Yeshua1]

wrong! 1 John 2:2 is most definitely about the salvation of the entire human race, "He is the propitiation for our sins (Christians), and not for ours only (Christians) but also for the sins of the whole world (non-Christians)". Amen!

God did not intend the death of Jesus to be the atonement for all sinners!

 

[Yeshua1]

But surely the Holy Spirit has to convict the sinner first

The Holy Spirit has to grant to sinner the heart and mind able to accept Jesus as their Lord!

 

[Yeshua1]

Anyone who says they have repented of all their sins and is sorry for all their sins is a liar sir. That is impossible and the Lord doesn’t grade on a curve. So it’s sinless perfection that is needed and no amount of repentance or sorrow can be achieved by a human.

The repenting God requires is to stop trying to save ourselves, and fully trust in Jesus as Lord!

 

[Yeshua1]

Can someone tell me how sorry I need to be for my sins to be saved? Really sorry or just a little? Is their a degree of sorrow I need to reach to be regenerated?

What about repenting of my sins? How many sins? All? How is that possible? I thought repentance was changing our mind about Jesus.

Did not Luther have that very same issue, as could spend hours telling God about every sin done, and then on way down from his tower, have to climb back up again as he remembered a sin forgot to confess before?

 

[Yeshua1]

Conclusion of your assertion:

All humans are therefore saved.

But...no doubt you have created a means by which rebellious humans defeat God's work and make it so that not all go to heaven.
Tell us this philosophy you have created to ensure that universal salvation is not, in fact, universal. Tell us how God is bested by the will of man.

Jesus and Paul never heard of such theology, of the creature besting the Creator!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Did not Luther have that very same issue, as could spend hours telling God about every sin done, and then on way down from his tower, have to climb back up again as he remembered a sin forgot to confess before?

You people are acting really silly

 

[AustinC]

I refer you to your Bible, but ask that you seek the Holy Spirit when you read it, and have an open, non theological mind and heart!

Another avoidance. I read my Bible. I know what God says about salvation. I know that you are wrong in your interpretation because you preach works in order to be saved. You are almost a Roman Catholic in your theology.

Now, how utterly remorseful must a human being be in order for it to be godly repentance? Was Martin Luther somehow not remorseful enough when he would climb 100 rock steps on his hands and knees, begging God to forgive him his wretchedness? Why then did he not find peace until God opened his eyes to justification by faith?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Another avoidance. I read my Bible. I know what God says about salvation. I know that you are wrong in your interpretation because you preach works in order to be saved. You are almost a Roman Catholic in your theology.


Now, how utterly remorseful must a human being be in order for it to be godly repentance? Was Martin Luther somehow not remorseful enough when he would climb 100 rock steps on his hands and knees, begging God to forgive him his wretchedness? Why then did he not find peace until God opened his eyes to justification by faith?

 

[AustinC]

I refer you to your Bible, but ask that you seek the Holy Spirit when you read it, and have an open, non theological mind and heart!

Do you realize how ungodly your request is?

You want me to trust in feelings and emotion to understand God while foregoing God's word, which establishes the knowledge of God (Theology).
You are asking that people do whatever seems right in their own eyes rather than know the God of scripture.
You are telling me not to be like King David, but instead act like King Jereboam (1st King of the Northern Kingdom of Israel) who created his own worship and ordained priests from any tribe instead of the tribe of Levi.
You are asking me to follow the path of the King's of the Northern Kingdom who all were wicked in God's sight.