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Only Universalists have a true unlimited atonement!

 

IF this is taught in the Bible, I WILL here admit my error and immediately change my theology!

 

They both believed the Gospel, as they were the elect of God!

 

complete rubbish! There is a DIFFERENCE between universal salvation, and the universal extent of the death of Jesus Christ. Note John Calvin's very "uncalvinistic" words on "whosoever" in John 3:16

"everyone without exception". the correct "Calvinistic" term is, "everyone without distinction"

 

Scripture that says this?

 

The Father did not intend the death of Jesus to provide atontement for all lost sinners...

 

if this is true, then WHY did Jesus Christ give Judas the bread and wine, and tell him, that "this is My blood shed for you"? Was Jesus not being truthful here, or maybe He was deceived by His "theology"?

 

Judas left before partaking!

 

17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; 18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you. 21 But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”23 Then they began to question among themselves, which of them it was who would do this thing. (Luke 22)

Judas was still in the room and at the table, AFTER the bread and wine was given. Chech Henry and Gill as both admit that Judas DID take the Lord's Supper!

 

if he did, then he drank it unto His own damnation!

 

very sadly, yes!

 

More or less fact.
The gospel is amazing for its simplicity, esotericism is for the Mystery Religions.
Scripture takes a rather dim view of them.

 

Because every time someone does, Calvinists tweek their articulation of their beliefs just sufficiently enough that even though it is fundamentally the same and logically suggests the same unavoidable ends, it doesn't represent your preferred verbiage.

Therefore, it is like nailing jello to a wall. Distinctions without any meaningful difference are made in terminology, and the claim is made that your opponents don't correctly state your beliefs.
As soon as they did, you would alter how, precisely, it is correct to state them.
It's akin to attempting to keep up with preferred politically correct verbiage.

Peace to you too.

 

Thanks for the conservation.

Peace to you

 

That is not proof that the original statement is "fact" rather than "opinion".

I am still waiting for you to support the claim that it is FACT.

 

Heed your own advice, sir.

Pray for eyes that see, because it is plainly there no matter how firmly you deny it to suit your personal belief system.

 

20 And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,
I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME.”

[Mat 19:26] 26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
[Mar 10:27] 27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
[Luk 18:27] 27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.​

 

If you are willing to have a civil discussion, I am willing. Let’s agree to a couple of things:

1: I’m not trying to change your mind about theology. My only goal is for you to understand why I believe what I believe.

2: I won’t call you names nor presume to know what motivates your beliefs.

If you can agree to that, I’ll share my understanding of salvation.

peace to you

 

... I claim nothing. Post 19 simply provides the verses that were requested.

 

It is a more or less accurate statement.
1.) Mystery Religions are known for esotericism
2.) The Scripture takes a dim view of Mystery Religions
3.) The gospel is simple and meant to be understood and is not at all esoteric.
4.) What mystery there was in the gospel was intentionally cleared up by the apostle Paul
Most people, aware of these things generally would accept my statement as containing truth.
If you refuse to, I frankly couldn't care less.