One thing a Calvinist has never done.

[Yeshua1]

The Greek for this verse, and the quote in Acts 2:21, and the original in Joel 2:32 (Greek), is stronger:


πας γαρ ος αν επικαλεσηται το ονομα κυριου σωθησεται Romans 10:13

και εσται πας ος αν επικαλεσηται το ονομα κυριου σωθησεται Acts 2:21

και εσται πας ος αν επικαλεσηται το ονομα κυριου σωθησεται (Joel 2:32)

Literal translation, "and it shall be, that anyone whoever shall call upon the Name of The Lord, shall be saved"

In Romans it reads, "for anyone whoever..."

Clearly the Universal scope of the Death of Jesus Christ, and can never be "limited" as the Reformed/Calvinists have forced the Bible to do!"

Only Universalists have a true unlimited atonement!

 

[SavedByGrace]

You have already declared it to be “nonsense”. If I gave you a verse, would you consider it?

Peace to you

IF this is taught in the Bible, I WILL here admit my error and immediately change my theology!

 

[Yeshua1]

another misuse of the verse! It is BECAUSE this woman was a WORSHIPPER OF GOD, as was Cornelius in chapter 10, that the Lord "opened" her understanding to what she heared! Because Cornelius was "a devout man and one who feared God with all his household", that God sent Peter with the Gospel!

They both believed the Gospel, as they were the elect of God!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Only Universalists have a true unlimited atonement!

complete rubbish! There is a DIFFERENCE between universal salvation, and the universal extent of the death of Jesus Christ. Note John Calvin's very "uncalvinistic" words on "whosoever" in John 3:16

"everyone without exception". the correct "Calvinistic" term is, "everyone without distinction"

 

[SavedByGrace]

They both believed the Gospel, as they were the elect of God!

Scripture that says this?

 

[Yeshua1]

complete rubbish! There is a DIFFERENCE between universal salvation, and the universal extent of the death of Jesus Christ. Note John Calvin's very "uncalvinistic" words on "whosoever" in John 3:16

"everyone without exception". the correct "Calvinistic" term is, "everyone without distinction"

The Father did not intend the death of Jesus to provide atontement for all lost sinners...

 

[SavedByGrace]

The Father did not intend the death of Jesus to provide atontement for all lost sinners...

if this is true, then WHY did Jesus Christ give Judas the bread and wine, and tell him, that "this is My blood shed for you"? Was Jesus not being truthful here, or maybe He was deceived by His "theology"?

 

[Yeshua1]

if this is true, then WHY did Jesus Christ give Judas the bread and wine, and tell him, that "this is My blood shed for you"? Was Jesus not being truthful here, or maybe He was deceived by His "theology"?

Judas left before partaking!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Judas left before partaking!

17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; 18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you. 21 But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”23 Then they began to question among themselves, which of them it was who would do this thing. (Luke 22)

Judas was still in the room and at the table, AFTER the bread and wine was given. Chech Henry and Gill as both admit that Judas DID take the Lord's Supper!

 

[Yeshua1]

17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; 18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you. 21 But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”23 Then they began to question among themselves, which of them it was who would do this thing. (Luke 22)

Judas was still in the room and at the table, AFTER the bread and wine was given. Chech Henry and Gill as both admit that Judas DID take the Lord's Supper!

if he did, then he drank it unto His own damnation!

 

[SavedByGrace]

if he did, then he drank it unto His own damnation!

very sadly, yes!

 

[HeirofSalvation]

opinion or fact?

More or less fact.
The gospel is amazing for its simplicity, esotericism is for the Mystery Religions.
Scripture takes a rather dim view of them.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

And yet, few who disagree with the “doctrines of grace folks” can or will accurately state their beliefs

Because every time someone does, Calvinists tweek their articulation of their beliefs just sufficiently enough that even though it is fundamentally the same and logically suggests the same unavoidable ends, it doesn't represent your preferred verbiage.

Therefore, it is like nailing jello to a wall. Distinctions without any meaningful difference are made in terminology, and the claim is made that your opponents don't correctly state your beliefs.
As soon as they did, you would alter how, precisely, it is correct to state them.
It's akin to attempting to keep up with preferred politically correct verbiage.

Peace to you too.

 

[canadyjd]

Because every time someone does, Calvinists tweek their articulation of their beliefs just sufficiently enough that even though it is fundamentally the same and logically suggests the same unavoidable ends, it doesn't represent your preferred verbiage.

Therefore, it is like nailing jello to a wall. Distinctions without any meaningful difference are made in terminology, and the claim is made that your opponents don't correctly state your beliefs.
As soon as they did, you would alter how, precisely, it is correct to state them.
It's akin to attempting to keep up with preferred politically correct verbiage.

Peace to you too.

Thanks for the conservation.

Peace to you

 

[atpollard]

Look at post 19 you claim we are born sinners and none of what you post states this is true. Oh you interpret it to say that but the fact is it does not.

That is not proof that the original statement is "fact" rather than "opinion".

Any faith so esoteric that 98.888% of the World's population can't understand or articulate it....
isn't a Bible faith, it's a demonic one.

I am still waiting for you to support the claim that it is FACT.

 

[atpollard]

You really need to read scripture as it is and not as you want it to be.

Heed your own advice, sir.

You're seeing things that just aren't there as usual. Like all Calvinist you always twist it to make it match your imagination. Not one of these say we are born sinners.

Pray for eyes that see, because it is plainly there no matter how firmly you deny it to suit your personal belief system.

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

 

[atpollard]

Romans 10

13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”



He can't.....his order of salvation insists he must be saved first.

20 And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,
I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME.”

[Mat 19:26] 26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
[Mar 10:27] 27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
[Luk 18:27] 27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.​

 

[canadyjd]

IF this is taught in the Bible, I WILL here admit my error and immediately change my theology!

If you are willing to have a civil discussion, I am willing. Let’s agree to a couple of things:

1: I’m not trying to change your mind about theology. My only goal is for you to understand why I believe what I believe.

2: I won’t call you names nor presume to know what motivates your beliefs.

If you can agree to that, I’ll share my understanding of salvation.

peace to you

 

[atpollard]

Look at post 19 you claim ...

... I claim nothing. Post 19 simply provides the verses that were requested.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

That is not proof that the original statement is "fact" rather than "opinion".
I am still waiting for you to support the claim that it is FACT.

It is a more or less accurate statement.
1.) Mystery Religions are known for esotericism
2.) The Scripture takes a dim view of Mystery Religions
3.) The gospel is simple and meant to be understood and is not at all esoteric.
4.) What mystery there was in the gospel was intentionally cleared up by the apostle Paul
Most people, aware of these things generally would accept my statement as containing truth.
If you refuse to, I frankly couldn't care less.