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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Dec 21, 2020.

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  1. JonC

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    Yes, but not "exalts over the gospel of the Kingdom of God".

    Have you ever considered Romans 28:29 as it relates beyond predestination? The point is not that we are foreknowledge and predestined but TO WHAT WE ARE PREDESTINED.

    For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

    This is the gospel of the Kingdom of God - not ONLY that we are saved but what exactly this salvation means. It is not just escapingwrath but even more about entering God's Kingdom.
    No, but your question highlights what I am saying.

    What I am saying is Paul does not always use "baptism" to refer to "water baptism" (in fact, most of the time he uses "baptism" to mean more than just "water baptism").

    Have you ever considered that we are saved for something more than just escaping the wrath to come?

    Consider what @Iconoclast posted about the Cross.
     
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    @Yeshua1 is a died in the wool dispie. Thoroughly Judaized. Anything short of a kingdom that can be seen with the mortal eye or touched with the mortal hand is not the kingdom he's looking for.
     
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    Even when Jesus explained the necessity of the new birth to Nicodemus He described it under the subset of "seeing the kingdom of God'
    Being born again was certainly crucial, but as has been posted and revealed a crucial starting point into the eternal realm of the Kingdom.
     
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    Haven't read everything, but the advent of Darbyism has pretty much made any discussion of the Kingdom impossible. The Kingdom is for the Jews, you see, and the Gospel of the Kingdom is something different than the Gospel to the Nations.

    Matthew was written to the Jews. So were the letters of Peter, James and John. So no Gentile need worry about what is written in them.

    And what they've done to Revelation is like whuh?
     
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    George Eldon Ladd did a lot of wwork in this area. His book was a main text of mine back in the day
     
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    We're not sinners reconciled to God while being enemies by the Death of God's Son? Rom 5:10

    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
     
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    The kingdom is Spiritual ! That is what many didn't understand, even to this day.
     
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    6 For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly.
    8 But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
    10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life; Ro 5
    5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

    There are TWO aspects of our salvation; the eternal in which we are totally passive, and the temporal in which we are obliged to obey the gospel.
     
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    The Glory is in Christ.
     
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    the gospel of the kingdom is one thing and the gospel of the grace of God is another.

    One is the glad tidings that the Messiah was here and about to kick Rome's rump then sit on the throne of David and restore the geo-political kingdom to the nation of Israel, on the condition of works-based repentance, which condition was rejected of Israel (No, the Jews did not misunderstand the kingdom, they just rejected its King).

    The other is the church-age glad tidings that Christ had died, been buried, and risen again to atone for our sins and redeem us from the curse of the law so that New Testament salvation was now wholly by grace through faith.

    To preach the works-based gospel of the kingdom during the church age now would be a heresy.

    To preach the gospel of the grace of God during the tribulation then will in turn be heresy.

    They are not the same gospel.

    And who is sufficient for these things? (2Co.2:16)
     
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    Born anew believers were indeed reconciled to God when God placed us into Christ spiritually. To claim those who are now unregenerate have been reconciled is false doctrine. If all those ever to be elect have been in the past reconciled, we would not have the ministry of reconciliation.
     
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    According to Rom 5:10 were they reconciled to God by the death of His Son even while being enemies ? Simple yes or no ? Rom 5:10

    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
     
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    According to Rom 5:10 were they reconciled to God by the death of His Son even while being enemies ? Simple yes or no ? Rom 5:10

    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
     
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    They are the same gospel. Jesus' teachings apply even to the church age. Peter and Paul were not heretics.

    Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God (the exact same gospel that the Apostles proclaimed). This is not a "works based" gospel at all (it never was). What the first century Jews did not understand is that God's Kingdom is spiritual (it is not a geo-political kingdom but rather a Kingdom into which one must be spiritually born).

    There is ONLY ONE gospel and this is the gospel of the Kingdom of God that the Old Testament foreshadowed, creation longed for, the angels announced, Jesus proclaimed, the Apostles preached, and Christians enter.
     
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    Jews reject the spiritual kingdom and Gentiles reject the political one.
    Jews reject the first coming and Gentiles reject the second one.
    t.y.p.i.c.a.l. national bias.
     
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    This is nonsense. There is only one Gospel. There is only one Kingdom. There is only one King.
     
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    Sigh.
     
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    Unless we escape the wrath to come, then we will not enter ever in to that Kingdom!
     
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    Not quite, used to be that, but now have become a CT preMil!
     
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    I used that text while in school. convinced me that the second coming is Premil, but one event!
     
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