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What Do These Passages Teach?

SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31)

Clearly this passage refers to a saved, born-again person, as no unsaved person can ever be said to have been "sanctified" by the blood of Jesus Christ.

"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17)

Again, this is referring to true born-agian Christians, as here described as, "brother".

Here we have a clear example, where the Greek ἀδελφός, though masculine, is used for both "brother and sister", though there are some who cannot grasp this!

Do these passages speak of Christians who can ultimately fall away from grace, as the language strongly suggests?
 
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Aaron

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These are tares growing among the wheat in the same good earth, under the same sun and rain; that is, growing up in the company of the church, receiving the ordinances and teachings and even partaking in the operations. Judas cast out devils in Jesus's name. But they never were wheat. They eventually depart, despising the grace that planted them there with every advantage, like the Jews, who, if salvation were by the virtue of flesh and blood, should be pouring through heaven's gates. But few find the Way.

Hebrews was written to a Jewish audience, and so the specific circumstances to which the Apostle was responding, judging by the topics expounded upon in Hebrews, was most likely Jews, who for a time received the preaching of the Gospel, but returned to Judaism, despising the preaching of the Cross.

No one can lose his salvation. 1 John 3:9
 
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Van

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SavedByGrace said:
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31)

Clearly this passage refers to a saved, born-again person, as no unsaved person can ever be said to have been "sanctified" by the blood of Jesus Christ.

"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17)

Again, this is referring to true born-agian Christians, as here described as, "brother".

Here we have a clear example, where the Greek ἀδελφός, though masculine, is used for both "brother and sister", though there are some who cannot grasp this!

Do these passages speak of Christians who can ultimately fall away from grace, as the language strongly suggests?
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Born anew Christians will not fall away, out of the hand of God. Nothing can separate us. We did not put us into Christ, and we are powerless to put ourselves out of Christ.

Here the fallacy is to think "he was sanctified" refers to be placed in (within) Christ. But instead, all humankind was set apart (sanctified) under the New Covenant in His blood.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Van said:
Born anew Christians will not fall away, out of the hand of God. Nothing can separate us. We did not put us into Christ, and we are powerless to put ourselves out of Christ.

Here the fallacy is to think "he was sanctified" refers to be placed in (within) Christ. But instead, all humankind was set apart (sanctified) under the New Covenant in His blood.
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Your theology is way off as usual
 
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37818

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SavedByGrace said:
Clearly this passage refers to a saved, born-again person, as no unsaved person can ever be said to have been "sanctified" by the blood of Jesus Christ.
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Not if sanctification precedes the faith. 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Aaron said:
1 Corinthians 7:14
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does not say that these "unbelivers" are "sanctified" themselves, but that because of living with someone who is, they share in their "sanctification". This is not what it says in Hebrews 10:29, where it is clear that these were "sanctified" by the blood of Jesus Christ, and therefore cannot be "unbelievers", as they are born-again!
 
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Van

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SavedByGrace said:
Your theology is way off as usual
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Yet another "taint so" post. This is all they have folks,

Born anew Christians will not fall away, out of the hand of God. Nothing can separate us. We did not put us into Christ, and we are powerless to put ourselves out of Christ.

Here the fallacy is to think "he was sanctified" refers to be placed in (within) Christ. But instead, all humankind was set apart (sanctified) under the New Covenant in His blood. When Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, He both purchased (bought) all humankind with His blood, He also placed all humankind under the New Covenant in His blood.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1Timothy 2:6
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

2Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Van said:
Yet another "taint so" post. This is all they have folks,

Born anew Christians will not fall away, out of the hand of God. Nothing can separate us. We did not put us into Christ, and we are powerless to put ourselves out of Christ.

Here the fallacy is to think "he was sanctified" refers to be placed in (within) Christ. But instead, all humankind was set apart (sanctified) under the New Covenant in His blood. When Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, He both purchased (bought) all humankind with His blood, He also placed all humankind under the New Covenant in His blood.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1Timothy 2:6
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

2Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
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Please respond to the 2 passages in the OP
 
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Van

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SavedByGrace said:
Please respond to the 2 passages in the OP
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Here SBG pretends I did not address Hebrews 10:26-31 but I did in post #9.

The sin that results in death is to reject Christ, to fail to go "all in" for Christ, and not love God will all our heart, mind and soul.
But if we do go all in (in God's view) then God places us into Christ, and we cannot by sinning, cause ourselves to be separated from God.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Van said:
Here SBG pretends I did not address Hebrews 10:26-31 but I did in post #9.

The sin that results in death is to reject Christ, to fail to go "all in" for Christ, and not love God will all our heart, mind and soul.
But if we do go all in (in God's view) then God places us into Christ, and we cannot by sinning, cause ourselves to be separated from God.
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Those who are sanctified that is made holy by the blood of the Lord, are in Hebrews 10.29 warned of severe punishment for rebelling against the Lord
 
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Van

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SavedByGrace said:
Those who are sanctified that is made holy by the blood of the Lord, are in Hebrews 10.29 warned of severe punishment for rebelling against the Lord
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I explained the meaning of "sanctified" and your "made holy by the blood" is precluded. Once saved, always saved.
 
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