Featured What about the doctrine of Original Sin?

I'm not sure why.
Anyone who reads and believes Romans 1, for example,
shouldn't have any trouble with the fact that what was experienced in the Garden was passed on to all men.

The knowledge of good and evil, the choice to do evil and reject doing good ( unless it suits us to not reject it ), and many other details are all in the Bible.

"Gloomy" it may be, but believers have been rescued from it.
They can pin their hopes on the fact that God saved a people from themselves, to Himself.

Many today try to downplay Romans 1, Romans 3, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, John 3:19-20 and many others...
All in favor of a God that loves everyone and doesn't want anyone to perish.

As I see it, that will sell a lot of airplay and get rave reviews...
But the fact of the matter is, the bad news is very bad...

Which makes the Good News really good.

 

Nyet. (Russian for no. )
Mankind has THREE Federal Heads. All created by God. God created Adam (with His bare hands). God created Eve (from Adam). God created Jesus (from a daughter of Eve and ... well God himself).

Through the Federal Headship of the first Adam, everyone born of the seed of Adam is born with the curse of Adam's Federal Headship. Eve and the daughters of eve were all created from Adam or the seed of Adam and subject to that Headship.

Jesus was not born of the seed of Adam, so the curse of Adams Federal headship did not pass to Jesus. However, we are told that Jesus was the "second Adam" and Eve was promised that the curse would be lifted by HER SEED. Jesus is the second Federal Head of mankind that undoes the curse of the first Federal Head of mankind through the promise og God made to Eve when the curse was originally given.

Federal Headship is not denied; the Federal Headship of BOTH the First Adam and the Second Adam (Christ) are affirmed along with God honoring the conditions made to Eve at the time of the curse.

[Please remember, this is only a "thought experiment" to meet a specific set of requested given conditions. These are not my actual beliefs of what scripture teaches.]

 

I see that a lot...more now than when I was younger, in fact.

I've noticed that.

I'm not "Reformed", so I confess to not having that reference point.
I simply read the Bible for myself and find that I end up on that side of the river, at least with regard to how salvation works.

I don't self-identify as "Calvinist", but I do hold to sin being passed down to all men...
It's "flaw" or corruption in us that leads to us being willfully disobedient to God in all manner of ways.

"Calvinism" meaning "TULIP"?
I have seen it, and I do know of many cases, personally, where "Arminians" and "Traditionalists" do seem to believe and teach "Original Sin" in the Biblical sense.

For example, I was raised in IB and IFB churches...
and remembering back, I recall that my former pastors all mostly seemed to ascribe to it.

Where they differed from what I now believe, was in the remedy for "Original Sin " and how that Remedy is obtained.

 

Are you into Universalism?

 

Humans now do though!

 

The knowledge of good and evil was and is God's. God being infinitely good cannot be affected by any evil.

Now God made man good. But man was not made infinitely good to be equal with man's Creator.
So like cyanide added to sugar, so that divine knowledge of good and evil was like poison to an otherwise good mankind's nature to become mankind'a sinful nature.

 

We all indeed inherit a sinful carnal nature, and in our flesh (Ro.7:18), as Paul is careful to specify (as opposed to in our soul or spirit) dwelleth no good thing. That nature cannot please God (Ro.8:7) in so far as it cannot perfectly fulfill the works of the law (Ro.8:3), which is the context of Romans 8:7's assertion about the inability to please God.
Where I cannot follow Calvinism is that that fallen nature is so depraved that the human will, which is a function of the human spirit (Ex.35:21) of a lost man is utterly incapable of freely yielding to the gospel truth.
Believing the gospel is not a work, much less a work of the law, and the lost man can believe of his own volition, which is precisely why God holds him responsible for rejecting the gospel. The error that the Calvinists make is holding that a man in bondage cannot recognize that bondage and plead for freedom in light of the gospel being preached to him. He can't break free, but he can nod his head to the deliverer.

It sounds like you would disagree, but I'm just answering your question #1 there, as someone who is not an Arminian nor yet a Calvinist.

 

Interesting illustration. Tell me more.

 

Disobedience towards God, which resulted in spiritual death being passed to all men.

 

Those who hold to a Pelagian view of sin may not accept original sin. Instead, they would argue for the origin of sin as an evolution of man into morality and value judgment. In that view, Adam and Eve are symbolic of the evolutionary process in recognizing evil from good. Each person born would then be perfect until the origin of sin was introduced to them by humans who will teach them the difference between good and evil.
Jesus then represents the one who was best in touch with his divine evolution where good thrived and evil was rebuked. God, then, is a human concept developed to establish moral laws and right living in humanity. There, in this view, are many moral roads that train humans to be good and not evil. The process is fluid and there is no absolute way.

Here then is the choice, there is either original sin or there is the origin of sin.

I believe the Bible teaches original sin.

 

God is infinite good. No amount of evil can change Infinite good.

God made man good. Man is finite good. Any evil does harm to finite good.

 

Genesis 3:11-22 is what the disobedience caused to happen.

 

My two basic presuppositions.
God is infinite good.
Man was not made to be infinitely good.

The knowledge of good and evil is God's. And man did not have that knowledge until they disobyed. Genesis 3:1-22.

"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." -- Deuteronomy 24:16.

 

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