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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 22, 2021.

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    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    You are arguing against the Ordo Salutis. Not against actual salvation. You think things take place in different order. I disagree. Post number 134 does not say repentance is not required. It says that it does not come first.
     
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    is there something wrong with you? It is SUBJUNCTIVE in the Greek! Learn grammar before making a fool of yourself!
     
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    just the point, it has to be BEFORE a person can get saved! Listen to what the Bible says and not your theology!
     
    #143 SavedByGrace, Jan 24, 2021
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    More verses taken out of context.
     
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    I listen to what the WHOLE Bible says, not just cherry picked out of context verses.
     
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    you are BLIND!
     
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    :Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao
     
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    It is subjunctive because it is conditioned upon the belief. What is so hard to understand about that?
     
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    You are welcome to that opinion but opinion is not a synonym of fact.
     
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    Because the phrase, "should not" is Late Middle English and past tense for "shall not".
    Also, notice that the entire phrase is past tense, as in "already done" / "it is finished".

    We find further support here, SBG, only in the present tense:

    " He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." ( John 3:36 ).

    " Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."     ( John 5:24 ).

    All of these are present tense and say that the person that "hears" His word and believes on the Son, has ( not "will have" ) everlasting life.
    He that believes not shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides ( present tense ) on him.
    He that believes shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death to life.

    Salvation is a certain thing for those who are Christ's.
     
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    The implication in the Greek is, that, μὴ ἀπόληται, which is aorist middle subjunctive, that some will perish, which is linked to their lack of faith in Jesus Christ, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν, which is in the present, continuance tense. As Weymouth's Version has it, "For so greatly did God love the world that He gave His only Son, that every one who trusts in Him may not perish but may have the Life of Ages".
     
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    Do you actually have a point here or are you just saying anything and everything to just make an argument?
     
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    figure it out...
     
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    You are arguing for the sake of arguing. Got it.
     
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    Are you a clown? :Laugh:D
     
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    You don't like what I write and think that I don't know what I am on about. So why bother to read my threads and comment? :rolleyes:
     
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    How is this comment helpful to this conversation?
     
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    Because your response is a joke!
     
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