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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 24, 2021.

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  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    I suggest that you take a look at Acts 2.47 in the KJV and then in the Greek and then tell me that their translation is not biased and completely wrong
     
    #81 SavedByGrace, Jan 25, 2021
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    So 1769 Kjv, which improved the perfect 1611 Kjv?
     
    #82 Yeshua1, Jan 25, 2021
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    How so? (granted this is off topic)
     
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    I figure that 53 men, give or take ( many of whom were fluent in Koine Greek ),
    spent 7 years agonizing over whether or not the English was correct, then I doubt I'll find anything substantially wrong with it.;)
     
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    they were not infallible though, nor inspired!
     
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    Also true, but @SavedByGrace is just giving a shot in the dark. He should tell us what he perceives the error to be rather then sending everyone else on a goose chase.
     
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    Do you understand Greek? Because there is no doubt that it cannot read as it does in the KJV
    Check other versions
     
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    Why not just tell us this supposed error?
     
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    My guess is that @SavedByGrace issue with Acts 2:47 in the KJV is the use of the word should which only shows he does not know the English language if that be the case.
     
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    Dr A T Robertson

    Those that were being saved (tou swzomenou). Present passive participle. Probably for repetition like the imperfect prosetiqei. Better translate it "those saved from time to time." It was a continuous revival, day by day. Swzw like swthria is used for "save" in three senses (beginning, process, conclusion), but here repetition is clearly the point of the present tense.
     
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    Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    That verse is perfect as it is. I can't doubt the word of God just because the verse is misused to teach heresy.
     
    #91 George Antonios, Jan 25, 2021
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    I'd still like to know what in the world he thinks the issue is with the verse.
     
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    Acts 2:47
    [47]Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. KJV

    Acts 2:47
    [47]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved. NASB
     
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    There is literally no difference in meaning in those two translations. Not even a little.
     
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    Guess finding fault with the Lord being the One to add daily to the church, not the free will decisions of lost sinners now to get saved!
     
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    It was the work of the Lord directly Himself either passage!
     
    #96 Yeshua1, Jan 25, 2021
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    Except Esau ...

    [Mal 1:3 NASB] 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and [appointed] his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness."
    [Rom 9:13 NASB] 13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."

    [Mal 1:3 YLT] 3 Is not Esau Jacob's brother? -- an affirmation of Jehovah, And I love Jacob, and Esau I have hated, And I make his mountains a desolation, And his inheritance for dragons of a wilderness.
    [Rom 9:13 YLT] 13 according as it hath been written, 'Jacob I did love, and Esau I did hate.'

    [Mal 1:3 DBY] 3 and I hated Esau; and made his mountains a desolation, and [gave] his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.
    [Rom 9:13 DBY] 13 according as it is written, I have loved Jacob, and I have hated Esau.

    [Mal 1:3 WEB] 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
    [Rom 9:13 WEB] 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.​

    (You seemed to think Young, Darby and Webster were important translations.)

    For those into the original language, the word in Malachi is H8130 שָׂנֵא sânêʼ, saw-nay'; a primitive root; to hate (personally) and the word in Romans is G3404 μισέω miséō, mis-eh'-o; from a primary μῖσος mîsos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute).
     
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    Yeah I am really scratching my head on what @SavedByGrace thinks the problem is here.
     
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    It is not finding any fault with the Bible but with the KJV using its theological bias in their rendering of the Greek, which is not what the Greek says
     
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    What do you think the problem is? There is literally no difference between the KJV and NASB other than updated language.
     
    #100 Reformed1689, Jan 25, 2021
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