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  1. Quantrill

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    Texas Constitution: Article 1 Section 2

    "All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their benefit.

    "The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and subject to this limitation only, they have at all time the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."

    Kyle Biederman, representative in Fredericksburg is pushing to have the people of Texas vote on secession.

    I'm all for it. I have always said, some form of secession is the only alternative to civil war. I hope other states will consider the same.

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    They can't. When Texas joined the Union it voluntarily became a part of "an indestructible Union".
     
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    Oh please. The only union claimed to be 'indestructible' was that based on the Articles of Confederation. And those fine folks in Philadelphia in 1787 just threw them out the window.

    You're living in a dream world.

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    This is not the first time a few silly Texas decided they would leave. And it was determined by the SCOTUS that Texas became a part of "an indestructible Union" and could not.

    In short, Texas has neither the power or authority to leave the Union.
     
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    When was it determined by scotus that Texas is part of an indestructible union?

    When you say 'power' you indicate the US will not allow a state to secede. The U.S. will not allow a people to live under a government of it's own. In other words, the glorious U.S. is not about a people being 'free'. It is about control. Perhaps other states will follow. Texas doesn't need the U.S. Why not let us leave?

    My how far America has moved. What does it say in the Declaration of Independence? "When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...."

    In short, the only indestructible union was under the Articles of Confederation. As I said, the good people in 1787 trashed that. So your 'indestructible union' is a pipe dream, and contrary to America.

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    Texas vs White. Texas (and no state) during the Civil War left the Union because a state cannot unilaterally secede from the United States.
     
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    What year was Texas vs. White? And, who said the states could not secede from the Union? You? Pipe dream.

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    The Supreme Court of the United States said that a state cannot secede from the Union.
     
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    What year was that?

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    What year was that?

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    I suppose they could leave the union, illegally,

    Threats and aspirations to secede from the United States, or arguments justifying secession, have been a feature of the country's politics almost since its birth.

    Some have argued for secession as a constitutional right and others as from a natural right of revolution.

    In Texas v. White (1869), the Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional, while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession.
     
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    Dude....you went to high school. It was in the 1860's concerning Confederate bonds, but the basis was anything Confederate was null because a State cannot leave the Union as it would violate the US Constitution.

    The Articles of Confederation established a perpetual union between the states. The Constitution, when implemented, only strengthened and perfected this relationship. (Per the SCOTUS....not me....I never liked Texas).
     
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    It would be funny in a way if they did. Just how long do you think an independent Texas would last :Laugh .
     
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    Revolution, as in a successful civil war of some kind, could lead to successful dissolution of the United States, is what I get from that comment of the supreme court.
    Which is plain common sense.
     
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    Likely a long time, they are a big state with a big economy.
    I can't imagine a US breakup, yet nothing lasts forever.

    I have wondered like how could the Roman Empire disintegrate, but it did. Through warfare.
    Wars tear apart nations and their laws.
     
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    dude...what year was it. You made the claim. Tell me the year.

    Those who created the Constitution of 1787 trashed the Articles of Confederation. They were supposedly 'perpeutal'. But they were not because they threw them out the window.

    Your pipe dream of an 'indestructible union' is just that. An imagination built on control.

    Why are you scared to give me the year?

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    It would not be long. Deals and agreements would have to be made to keep banks insured by FDIC, Texas would have no defense (National Guard weapons and equipment are federal property), ect.

    It would not last a year before becoming a part of Mexico.
     
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    1869 which was during the Reconstruction. It was a result of a total military victory over the Southern States. It was a result of reforming the Supreme court with only those of the yankee mind. In other words, packing the court. Southern whites couldn't vote. Southern representatives had no say.

    Our glorious union by the bayonet. Lets all sing, "Battle Hymn of the Republic". Just brings a tear to the eye....not.

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    I did give you an approximate date. I said 1860's. Looking it up it was 1869.

    A state cannot leave the Union. The Confederate states claimed to have done so, but they did not.

    The Articles of Confederation established a perpetual union between the states. The Constitution, when implemented, only strengthened and perfected this relationship. (Per the SCOTUS....not me....I still never liked Texas).

    But bless your heart. You are living in a fantasy world. Make your little plans for a Texit and see how far it gets you :Laugh
     
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    The U.S. has already broken up. It is nothing but a house of cards, ready to collapse. It is a shell with no structure on the inside.

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