Son of JOHN 3:16 :)

[Aaron]

Yes, God loves the world. God loves His creation. We cannot think that angels are not loved. They are God's creation and God is love. But there are special objects of His love. Man was made a little lower than the angels, but he was crowned, not angels, with glory and honor. And Christ was sent in the likeness of the sons of Abraham, not angels.

Animals were brought into the ark, so they are also objects of His love. And His promise was never to judge the earth again with a flood. So the earth is an object of His love.

But the animals and the earth were saved for the sake of the special objects of His love, man. And more specifically, the descendants of Noah, and more specifically, Shem; and more specifically, Abraham; Isaac, Jacob, Judah; but ultimately, Jesus. He is the Beloved. Him, and His Children. The Elect.

The ark was prepared for Noah, but all were invited, because God loves all. That the world refused the call, shows that God's judgement was just. God did not sin by giving grace to Noah, and no other.

God did not sin by appearing to Abraham and making His covenant with Him, and no other.

And God did not sin by laying hold on Lot and pulling him and no other from the fire that rained down on Sodom.

And God does not sin by choosing few, though calling many.

God will have mercy upon whom HE will have mercy. And we do sin to say otherwise.

So far from undoing Calvinism, John 3:16 confirms it.

 

[atpollard]

Yes, God loves the world ...

W00T!
That was very well reasoned, articulated and drawn from scripture. Five Stars!

 

[atpollard]

Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Peter say to these believers 1 Pet 2:24

24 who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now what do think stripes mean here ? And what do you believe healed is here ?

It is a great verse and a great question. However, if it was addressed to me (your post is not clear if you were asking someone specific), then could you give me a hint how this is related to John 3:16 and "the world" or "whoever believes"?

I have no problem discussing 1 Pet 2:24 or answering those questions, but I cannot see the thread that connects them to John 3:16.

 

[Aaron]

W00T!
That was very well reasoned, articulated and drawn from scripture. Five Stars!

Lol. Thanks.

 

[Van]

Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Peter say to these believers 1 Pet 2:24

24 who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now what do think stripes mean here ? And what do you believe healed is here ?

1Peter 2:24 (NASB)
and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

1) Christ died for all humankind, providing a ransom for all.
2) Only those God transfers into Christ are saved by His sacrifice. Those never transferred into Christ were never saved.
3) Thus the "you" refers only to those placed in Christ.

Here again is the actual gospel:

God loved humankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Thus Christ's death did not save everyone, but did provide the means of salvation to everyone believing into Him.

To believe into Him means the person's faith was credited as righteousness by God and therefore God put them into Christ.

Everyone God puts into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Gospel of Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

1Peter 2:24 (NASB)
and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

1) Christ died for all humankind, providing a ransom for all.
2) Only those God transfers into Christ are saved by His sacrifice. Those never transferred into Christ were never saved.
3) Thus the "you" refers only to those placed in Christ.

Here again is the actual gospel:

God loved humankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Thus Christ's death did not save everyone, but did provide the means of salvation to everyone believing into Him.

To believe into Him means the person's faith was credited as righteousness by God and therefore God put them into Christ.

Everyone God puts into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Gospel of Christ.

Lets try this one more time, but this time please answer the questions:

Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Peter say to these believers 1 Pet 2:24

24 who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now what do think stripes mean here ? And what do you believe healed is here ?

 

[atpollard]

Lets try this one more time, but this time please answer the questions:

Sure.

Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Peter say to these believers 1 Pet 2:24

24 who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now what do think stripes mean here ? And what do you believe healed is here ?

Irrelevant to the topic.
(Is that what you wanted?)

Here is another good but irrelevant verse: Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Paul say to these believers 1 Cor 2:9

9 but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND [which] HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."

 

[Van]

Lets try this one more time, but this time please answer the questions:
Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Peter say to these believers 1 Pet 2:24
24 who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Now what do think stripes mean here ? And what do you believe healed is here ?

Let me say this again, we God puts an individual into Christ, they are healed. No one was healed before they were put in Christ.
Now I have addressed (and shown an alternate view) twice. So please address the answer. Now a tactic is to claim their question was not answered, but such behavior betrays the absence of a viable argument.

Here is the biblical truth:
God loved humankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Thus Christ's death did not save everyone, but did provide the means of salvation to everyone believing into Him.

To believe into Him means the person's faith was credited as righteousness by God and therefore God put them into Christ.

Everyone God puts into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Gospel of Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

Sure.


Irrelevant to the topic.
(Is that what you wanted?)

Here is another good but irrelevant verse: Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Paul say to these believers 1 Cor 2:9

9 but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND [which] HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."

You scared to answer, i understand !

 

[Brightfame52]

Let me say this again, we God puts an individual into Christ, they are healed. No one was healed before they were put in Christ.
Now I have addressed (and shown an alternate view) twice. So please address the answer. Now a tactic is to claim their question was not answered, but such behavior betrays the absence of a viable argument.

Here is the biblical truth:
God loved humankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Thus Christ's death did not save everyone, but did provide the means of salvation to everyone believing into Him.

To believe into Him means the person's faith was credited as righteousness by God and therefore God put them into Christ.

Everyone God puts into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Gospel of Christ.

I see you avoided my question like the plaque, its all good.

 

[tyndale1946]

For Whom Did Christ Die?... John Owen

The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for, either:

All the sins of all men.
All the sins of some men, or
Some of the sins of all men.

In which case it may be said:

That if the last be true, all men have some sins to answer for, and so, none are saved.
That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of all the elect in the whole world, and this is the truth.
But if the first be the case, why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins?

You answer, “Because of unbelief.”

I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!”... Brother Glen

 

[Van]

I see you avoided my question like the plaque, its all good.

Let me say this again, we God puts an individual into Christ, they are healed. No one was healed before they were put in Christ.
Now I have addressed (and shown an alternate view) twice. So please address the answer. Now a tactic is to claim their question was not answered, but such behavior betrays the absence of a viable argument.

Here is the biblical truth:
God loved humankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Thus Christ's death did not save everyone, but did provide the means of salvation to everyone believing into Him.

To believe into Him means the person's faith was credited as righteousness by God and therefore God put them into Christ.

Everyone God puts into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Gospel of Christ.

 

[kyredneck]

I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not?

Excellent post Brother Glenn.

Does the atonement cover the sin of unbelief?

13 if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2

Even after all the wickedness Israel had done in the wilderness after leaving Egypt (unbelief, disobedience, murmuring, idolatry, fornication, rebellion, etc.), and even with Balak through Balaam wanting so badly to curse Israel, God made Balaam to declare:

He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob; Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: Jehovah his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them. Nu 23:21
(Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin. Ro 4:8)

AND, throughout all their wandering/chastening in the Wilderness He still yet gave them shade by day and light by night, He fed them manna, gave them water, their clothes never wore out, their feet didn't blister, etc., He was with them always even though He granted them no repentance to enter into His Rest. They wandered in the Wilderness for the rest of their lives when they could have spent it in the Land of Milk & Honey had they only believed God, that it was theirs's for the taking.

 

[Brightfame52]

Let me say this again, we God puts an individual into Christ, they are healed. No one was healed before they were put in Christ.
Now I have addressed (and shown an alternate view) twice. So please address the answer. Now a tactic is to claim their question was not answered, but such behavior betrays the absence of a viable argument.

Here is the biblical truth:
God loved humankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Thus Christ's death did not save everyone, but did provide the means of salvation to everyone believing into Him.

To believe into Him means the person's faith was credited as righteousness by God and therefore God put them into Christ.

Everyone God puts into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Gospel of Christ.

You still avoiding it sir.

 

[Brightfame52]

Excellent post Brother Glenn.

Does the atonement cover the sin of unbelief?

13 if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2

Even after all the wickedness Israel had done in the wilderness after leaving Egypt (unbelief, disobedience, murmuring, idolatry, fornication, rebellion, etc.), and even with Balak through Balaam wanting so badly to curse Israel, God made Balaam to declare:

He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob; Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: Jehovah his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them. Nu 23:21
(Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin. Ro 4:8)

AND, throughout all their wandering/chastening in the Wilderness He still yet gave them shade by day and light by night, He fed them manna, gave them water, their clothes never wore out, their feet didn't blister, etc., He was with them always even though He granted them no repentance to enter into His Rest. They wandered in the Wilderness for the rest of their lives when they could have spent it in the Land of Milk & Honey had they only believed God, that it was theirs's for the taking.

God has mercy on unbelief for all the elect Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So Christ died for that sin !

 

[Van]

You still avoiding it sir.

You are still making false claims.

 

[Reformed1689]

it is impossible that we understand John's use of "kosmos" in this passage, to mean anything other than the entire human race, that is, each and every individual, from Adam till the last person.

Obviously it is not or we wouldn't have this debate. Human Race is not equivalent to every individual. To make it say that is to ignore context and also to ignore the whole of Scripture. In other words, you are asking John 3:16 to address a question it is not dealing with.

 

[Aaron]

Obviously it is not or we wouldn't have this debate. Human Race is not equivalent to every individual.

The best picture is the Ark. The human race, but certainly not every individual, was saved by the Ark. Neither was the Ark built for every individual.

 

[Reformed1689]

The best picture is the Ark. The human race, but certainly not every individual, was saved by the Ark. Neither was the Ark built for every individual.

Yep, they even agreed with that assessment in the other thread when I presented it but then dug in about John 3:16. It's absurd.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Obviously it is not or we wouldn't have this debate. Human Race is not equivalent to every individual. To make it say that is to ignore context and also to ignore the whole of Scripture. In other words, you are asking John 3:16 to address a question it is not dealing with.

you still rebel against the Teachings of the Holy Bible!