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Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation were redeemed ...out of the world. They therefore, by definition, cannot be the world (John 3:16) but only a subset of the world (John 3:16).

As to the classic semi-Pelagian canard, we'll shoot that duck another day.

I didn't bend anything. It's the plain reading. I'm saying world = world.
You're redefining world as "world of the elect".
Who's bending?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

A) The law could not communicate righteousness (Gal.3:21). Did the law fail?
Or was it rather that the law was spiritual yet men were carnal so that the fault was in man that the law did not effect righteousness? As it is written:

• Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, ---> Why? Because the law itself was weak? No:
• in that it was weak through the flesh, ---> The instrument was weak.

Likewise, the failure is not attributable to God, to the sinful heart of man which rejects the gospel.
God purposed to bring the initial Exodus generation into the promised land, but that didn't happen save for 2 men.
Was the failure attributable to God, or men?

Please understand: God does, in his own power and will, choose to limit his himself, in some areas, to the free will of men, so that God himself allows the free will of men to frustrate his own desire, on some things - and it breaks his heart - just like our kids do in their free will.
You dear Calvinist brethren need to stop trying to "save" God from "embarrassing" himself because he allows us to thwart his will for our salvation. It's cringe-y to watch.

B) The view that because most mankind is lost and therefore God has somehow "failed" is an incredibly narrow view based on our temporal bias. The effect of the cross is that, ultimately, the millennial kingdom comes in, and reaches out into eternity, with a limitless number of sinless humans being born and begetting other sinless humans (1); with the serpent eternally destroyed in fire. So that, overall, but an infinitesimal fraction of mankind, relative to eternity, will have been lost. A resounding success in saving the world.

(1) It's only the children of the resurrection that don't marry, not the ones that go out alive into the kingdom from the tribulation, or the people which shall be created (Ps.102:18) - but that's a topic for another day.

 

Exactly.

Just answered in post #23, to which your only reply was "EPIC FAIL".

Well ok then. Moving on.

 

to save whosoever believeth in him and potentially the whole world if the whole world chooses to believe on him.

"twisting scripture to fit our theology" like you just did.

 

You ignored point B.

 

God loved humankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Thus Christ's death did not save everyone, but did provide the means of salvation to everyone believing into Him.

To believe into Him means the person's faith was credited as righteousness by God and therefore God put them into Christ.

Everyone God puts into Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Gospel of Christ.

 

Here are the insults semi Pelagians.. You are incapable to have an honest debate with out insults, So Christian of you. Jn 3 :16 says God so loved the world. If this is true God even loves the sinners who won't come to Him. Believe me when I say you are not elect because there is no election for Gentiles.It wouldn't matter any way because we are all considered the same. The Calvinist tries to separate us again
MB

 

Reformed theologins disagree with just about everyone even them selves/
MB

 

I'm not ignoring it. My view admits both.
He made provision for the salvation of the whole world, but only those of the world who believe avail themselves of that provision.
It's a provision and an intent. And yes, God's will, in the sense of desire, is frustrated by most men's refusal to accept the gospel - which is why he weeps!

God gave us kids to understand that.

 

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Those Christ died for were saved by His death, what does Peter say to these believers 1 Pet 2:24

24 who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now what do think stripes mean here ? And what do you believe healed is here ?