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Featured Bible vs Reformed Election

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 3, 2021.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    God has given the decalogue to show us our duty and what is pleasing to Him.
    Only Jesus obeyed perfectly.
    The people are haters of God and His holy law.
    That is why the new birth is necessary.
     
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    Not so. People were elected before Israel was a nation.
    Not all Israel was of Israel Rom 9:6-11
     
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    we post scripture, not riddles.read roman 3 read romans 6
     
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    Nineveh was destroyed later on.Where do you see me suggesting they were all elect?:Cautious what post was that?
     
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    Ezk 18...does not answer post 5 now, does it?
     
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    There is a word for those who believe...they are called..THE ELECT.2TIM2:10
     
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    Have you read what Psalm 106:40 says about God's reaction to His very Own People?

    "Then the anger of the LORD was kindled against His people, and he abhorred His heritage"

    Reformed are in the habit of throwing "Easu I hated", to try to prove that God hates His Creation. And yet here in this Pslam, the language is much stronger of God's feelings towards His People! I never see this text quoted by any Reformed/Calvinist! I wonder why? :eek:
     
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    indeed, after they believe, the join the elect of God!
     
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    I have not seen one verse saying that God has a saving love for non elect people.maybe you could produce that.
     
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    The OT never once says that any other "people", than the Jews, are "elect", or in any way "special" to the Lord. Ture God did use people who were "outsiders" for His work, but there is no evidence that they were saved. However, we know that Rahab and Ruth were both saved, as were the people of Nineveh.
     
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    Sure, Rahab, Ruth, the people of Ninevh, etc, etc. there is zero Bible evidence to show that they were in any way "elected" by God. This is only in peoples theology!
     
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    And John 3:16, which you guys cannot accept is for the entire human race, because it disagrees with your set theology!
     
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    Says no verse anywhere:Cautious
    Once again...you have dead men electing themselves rather than election being what God does:( Only God can allow you to see this truth. I and others have offered you stacks of truth.
    You are like my youngest grandchildren. I make a stack of blocks and they crawl over to swat the tower down. That is what you are doing to solid teaching.:Sick
     
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    everyone believing
     
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    thanks for you time and sharing. I think that we are at the end of our time here.
     
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    The only thing this is proof of is that you love to take things out of context and that you either do not understand or intentionally misrepresent the Reformed position.
     
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    Really? We are all under God's wrath before salvation, including the elect. Have you ever considered that if Jesus died for every individual that means His blood was not good enough to save all? He paid for the sin, payment made, but that payment was not good enough? The sacrifice was not enough? God could not accomplish the task?
     
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    Greetings again! Well, one cannot argue with what the Lord Himself says in His Word! It is very clear that God's Amazing Love is there also for the so called non-elect, and His great desire to see them saved.
     
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    You can't make that argument because people, like myself, CLEARLY see that is not the case plainly in Scripture. You need to do better than that. I'm not just going to "take your word for it." I clearly see FROM SCRIPTURE that your view is incorrect.
     
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    lets give you a human example. Suppose I am a doctor who has the only cure in the whole world, for Covid-19, and only my cure is guaranteed to work 100%, and prevent those who use it, to never ever get this desease. Now, only those who take up my offer, will receive this healing, those who refuse to, will probably die from it. Does it mean that I have failed by those who died? No, they did not come for their healing. Likewise Jesus told the murdering Jews in John 5, "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (39-40). Note, Jesus does not say to these, that they cannot come, because they have not been drawn, etc. He tells them, that they REFUSE, that is CHOOSE not to go to Him for eternal life!
     
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