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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by rlvaughn, Feb 2, 2021.

  1. RighteousnessTemperance&

    RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member

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    Right or wrong, the common thread of the KJV-only position seems to be control. This term may be objectionable to some, depending on how it might apply.

    Some groups are banking on the fact that the language is often archaic, thus requiring explanation even for those whose first language is English. Elizabethan English is not our norm.
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    John 16:12-13
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    The Kjv pretty much was the only accepted Bible until 1881/1901. when the RV/Asv translations came out, but interesting to me the KJVO really gained steam when the Rsv and then Nas/Niv came out! Like the Kjv was being now threatened?
     
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    I have yet many things to say unto you.
    but ye cannot bear them now.
    Howbeit when he,
    the Sprit of truth.
    is come.
    he will guide you into all truth:
    for he shall not speak of himself;
    but whatsoever he shall hear,
    that shall he speak:
    and he will show you things to come.
    John 16:12-13

    "My Bible states that was only given to those who wrote the original books!"

    Where is the explicit statement in that passage?
     
  5. Yeshua1

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    Promise was made to just Hos Apostles and those under the outreach, such as Luke and Mark, but not to the 1611 translators!
     
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    What are you talking about?


    You said, My Bible states that was only given to those who wrote the original books.
    (that inspiration)

    Please provide where your bible actually states what you said it states.
     
  7. Yeshua1

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    Inspiration only was given to the NT authors!
     
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    You say.
    Now bible say please.
    "My Bible states"
     
  9. Yeshua1

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    Were the Prophets and Apostles inspired by God to write or not His word?
     
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    "My Bible states"
     
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    The word of the Lord came to the Prophets, and the Spirit inspired the Apostles also!
     
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    "My Bible states"

    Did you lose your bible and now all you can do is deflect by asking questions?
     
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    Nope, gave you plain scripture already!
     
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    Sir, you provided the reference which I typed out to see.
    Then you provided your interpretation of said passage but no plain scripture that states
    that only the originals are inspired.
    This is your statement: "My Bible states".
    Is it not in your bible?

    Can you remember any of the words from your bible's statement(s)?
    Can you use an exhaustive concordance to find the passage(s)?

    Can you not find an explicit statement?
    Or perhaps you would like to amend your phrase to, "My interpretation of My Bible states...

    I have gotten off the purpose of this thread trying to make a point.
    I apologize.
     
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    While this might be true of some groups, I would disagree with this as a general statement -- that is, that control is a common thread of the KJV-Only position. I don't find the term objectionable, I just don't think it is generally established.
     
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    You may be right. My observation is limited, stemming mainly from personal experience with abusive churches and cults, which is more extensive than I would have liked.
     
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    To unravel this a bit more, let me explain. I do not mean that there are none who sincerely believe this is the correct flow of KJVO history. The problem is those who should know better, and especially those who have been shown better.
     
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    I do not see you as presenting "the correct flow of KJVO history."

    I have read over 150 post-1960 books by KJV-only authors, and I do not find that their KJV-only reasoning/teaching comes from the groups to which you appeal.

    Are you in effect trying to impose James White's definition of KJV-only on others and demanding that they follow it? Perhaps those whom you criticize have a different and even a better understanding of what constitutes KJV-only than you or James White may have.

    KJV-only author David Daniels tries to claim that KJV-only doctrine comes from the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith, but he seems to be reading his own KJV-only assumptions into it (51 Reasons for King James, pp. 150-155). Because after mention of the original tongues are to be translated into the vulgar language of every nation, it mentions Scriptures and so David Daniels asserts "that these translations are called scriptures" so he assumes that means that they were saying that the translations are given by inspiration of God.
     
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    Where have you looked for the “flow of history”? Who are these 150, sheep who follow one another? Are there no churches who still hold the KJV who descended from Baptist associations who declared the King James Bible was the word of God in the 1800s and early 1900s. Perhaps you dismiss everyone who are not a certain stripe of fundamentalist? Is this a KJVO statement?
    I do not invalidate those who disagree with James White. You are free to, as I am. In fact, I think it would be could for folks on both sides of this issue to work together and come up with something better. However, his categorization is widely used, often referred to, and perhaps the earliest of its kind. Nothing requires you to believe every group named in the OP is KJVO according to your definition. I have not made such a claim. I have nevertheless explained that I believe all of them do fit the categorization of White and those who follow his categories generally.

    However, according to your own definition, are these probably KJVO statements or not?
    All these are from different groups in the OP.
    I have not read Daniels but I think I have noticed some make this claim. The best way to prove or disprove it would be to research the writings of those who compiled this confession of faith to see if they say anything about it.
     
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    Under your understanding of what constitutes KJV-only, how do you view the KJVO-lite churches who do not say it is inspired, but say to preachers, "No, you cannot use or refer to that Bible when you preach here, you must preach, quote, and reference the King James Version"?

    Also, where do you place those who are Masoretic and TR texts only, but stop short of calling the KJV inspired?
     
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